04-14-2005, 01:02 PM
Occhidiangela,Apr 14 2005, 11:15 AM Wrote:Eppie, a few things you are missing the point on. Nuclear bombs are not a defensive weapon, they are pure offense. Having them acts, sometimes, as a deterrent.
---well actually they have been used once as a offensive weapon (but that instance did not really call for the use of such power) and for the rest they have been purely defensive. The MAD scared all the owners of the weapons. As long as there are several countries that own them, none of them will use them.
So far. China has been a nuclear power since the mid 1960's.
"Can very well be the next victim of the superpowers."
Interesting view you have of the nation who protected your nation under its security umbrella for 50 years. :P Victim of the superpowers indeed.
---listen I didn't ask for the cold war. And the way I see it we were just used as a safetybuffer. :P
As for "if Iraq had Nukes" is a specious argument. The Israelis did what they had to to prevent that in 1981. Part of the reason Pres Bush gave for going in, (the WMD reason that seems full of holes in hindsight,) is that Saddam had no scruples and would indeed be presumed to use Nuclear Weapons offensively, rather than as a deterrent.
If Iraq had had nukes? Yes, I think the war would still have happened, if he had no ICBM to deliver them with. There are a lot of ifs in your scenario and conclusion that you need to flesh out before you make such conclusions.
---my comment was purely used so that I was sure I got a reaction. :D And it was easy to make. Of course there are a lot of ifs but it seems quite plausible I must say. A crazy madman that tortured his own people, gassed the Kurds would have no problems with using whatever he could possibly find against his real enemys. I mean if he tortured his own football team if they didn't win, do you think he would have any problem with attacking people that invaded his country.
We had this discussion before, and no there is no proof, but my view on this subject is a lot more credible than that of the Bush administration......especially now that after the war I was right on the point that there were indeed no WMDs in Iraq (check out the old forums but I'm sure you also remember)
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Anyway, back to the main point. I'm not surprised by the fact that many countries would like to have WMDs. But at the same time I'm also glad that the US and russi still have them.