03-11-2005, 05:02 AM
Not addressed to Malakar here, but really the thread:
I think we need to chill out a bit. There are some constants in this world:
1) RPGs are by their nature not very good competitive games. True "balance" is impossible, although you can come close, and it is given that those who play longer and have better equipment have advantages. Real competitive games have level playing fields, which WoW will never have.
2) In all RPGs, you will have the PK/PvP element that considers themselves better than the "other" players. It was the same with PKs in Diablo II - i.e. "You just hate me because I'm so much of a better player than you, I've killed 100 people today" etc. Never mind that equipment and skill setups for PK'ing would be completely different than those for normal play.
3) You have two options - either let them bother you, or realize how stupid it is and ignore them. The argument is especially irrelevant when you can PvP all you like on a PvE server. With the new honor system going in, there will be mass PvP fights occuring every night on all servers. I suspect that you'll see a lot more people walking around flagged once the system goes in. The key with the PvE server is that you can actually get something done in Booty Bay. :)
4) Most people aren't like this. Although it may not seem like it, most people playing on either server are into their thing and don't feel like slinging the "carebear" or "immature ganker" labels around. When Mongo and I debated PvP/PvE, we never once called each other that. Mongo knew that I spent months on the PvP server and threw around the killing just like everyone else. Even though I only ever fought in self defense, dozens of players fell to my spells over my time there. Does that make me a better player? No, it just means that I had to make more corpse runs while I played over those months. Yay. But unfortunately, that 5-10% of PvP players really ARE immature gankers, and it gives them all a bad name (just as the 5-10% of really BAD PvE players out there give all the PvE server players a bad name). Thus the labels.
Anyhow, if someone calls you a carebear, just smile and nod. Not a big deal. They have demonstrated that they have little respect for others and belong on their server where they can't bother you. The difference in general chat between a PvP server and a PvE server is striking - just log in and listen to it sometime. Hostility levels are significantly higher on a PvP server. It's a breeding ground for miscontent.
Now, when are we raiding the Undercity? :)
-Bolty
I think we need to chill out a bit. There are some constants in this world:
1) RPGs are by their nature not very good competitive games. True "balance" is impossible, although you can come close, and it is given that those who play longer and have better equipment have advantages. Real competitive games have level playing fields, which WoW will never have.
2) In all RPGs, you will have the PK/PvP element that considers themselves better than the "other" players. It was the same with PKs in Diablo II - i.e. "You just hate me because I'm so much of a better player than you, I've killed 100 people today" etc. Never mind that equipment and skill setups for PK'ing would be completely different than those for normal play.
3) You have two options - either let them bother you, or realize how stupid it is and ignore them. The argument is especially irrelevant when you can PvP all you like on a PvE server. With the new honor system going in, there will be mass PvP fights occuring every night on all servers. I suspect that you'll see a lot more people walking around flagged once the system goes in. The key with the PvE server is that you can actually get something done in Booty Bay. :)
4) Most people aren't like this. Although it may not seem like it, most people playing on either server are into their thing and don't feel like slinging the "carebear" or "immature ganker" labels around. When Mongo and I debated PvP/PvE, we never once called each other that. Mongo knew that I spent months on the PvP server and threw around the killing just like everyone else. Even though I only ever fought in self defense, dozens of players fell to my spells over my time there. Does that make me a better player? No, it just means that I had to make more corpse runs while I played over those months. Yay. But unfortunately, that 5-10% of PvP players really ARE immature gankers, and it gives them all a bad name (just as the 5-10% of really BAD PvE players out there give all the PvE server players a bad name). Thus the labels.
Anyhow, if someone calls you a carebear, just smile and nod. Not a big deal. They have demonstrated that they have little respect for others and belong on their server where they can't bother you. The difference in general chat between a PvP server and a PvE server is striking - just log in and listen to it sometime. Hostility levels are significantly higher on a PvP server. It's a breeding ground for miscontent.
Now, when are we raiding the Undercity? :)
-Bolty
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