Changes to the Stormrage Guild system
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Ruvanal,Jan 6 2005, 06:34 PM Wrote:My feeling is that Tal was implicitly elected by everyone that stepped forward and signed the charater at the start.  Everyone was free to hold back at that point and voice any objections if they had any on his being the one to hold the highest ranking position.  And as Occhidiangela pointed out:
He had posted his intentions prior to the game going live and the servers up.  There was  plenty of time for comments or objections then.  I saw none at that time, nor shortly after the formation of the guild. 

From what I know of the Guildmasters screen, there is an option of some sort to allow the passing of the Guildmaster position to another character.  Do you propose that there now be an election?  A rather formal and structured thing to do in light of a desire to have a laid back approch to all of this.  As for a vote, I would just cast mine now for Tal to take that potentially ungrateful postition to be in ("the buck stops here").

Also keep in mind about your references to the beta guild.  When all the guilds in the beta test were disolved; it took the combined players of both the beta1 and PvP servers AND recuiting players on the street to get the guild restarted.  With such a small group (less than 9), it is a lot easier to get by with no structure to the guild.  And since there was effectively no addition of new players coming in, there was not much need to address being able to offer any of our friends a decent playing environment.  If it is to be an overly restrictive environment for being in the guild; I have a different approch I will take, removing my characters from the guild and my presence from the server.
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You inferred something from my words that was not implied.

And as to the number of players at the start of retail, I got my copy of WoW and was on line the first day, but the guild was already in place by the time I logged in. I doubt I was the last one. The small number of people you cite was probably underestimated.

I never had anything but appreciation and warm regard for Tal's work until two days ago. Why would I have expressed objections earlier when I was in agreement with Tal's stated feelings and with what I thought was the group consensus?

I pointed out to Tal that his was a non-elected position, e.g. one from which he could not be removed. I had no knowledge that there was a mechanism to change guild leadership. I was not asking (nor am I asking) for a guild election. I was not asking that Tal step down or be removed. How can I be more clear to you that I do not favor a hierarchy, elections, a governing body, politics, or any such?

If you feel that being registered on the lounge is overly restrictive, then, yes, sadly, we have a difference of opinion.
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Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-03-2005, 09:03 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by LavCat - 01-04-2005, 01:42 AM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-04-2005, 03:24 AM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Treesh - 01-04-2005, 02:32 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-04-2005, 03:00 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-04-2005, 03:07 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Treesh - 01-04-2005, 03:17 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by swirly - 01-04-2005, 03:21 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-04-2005, 03:33 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by swirly - 01-04-2005, 03:48 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-04-2005, 03:58 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-04-2005, 04:29 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Treesh - 01-04-2005, 04:40 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by swirly - 01-04-2005, 04:43 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-04-2005, 04:46 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Kevin - 01-04-2005, 05:04 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by --Pete - 01-04-2005, 05:16 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Kevin - 01-04-2005, 05:25 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by --Pete - 01-04-2005, 05:30 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Kevin - 01-04-2005, 05:36 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-04-2005, 05:43 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-04-2005, 05:55 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by --Pete - 01-04-2005, 06:21 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Roane - 01-04-2005, 06:26 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by LavCat - 01-04-2005, 08:06 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-04-2005, 08:20 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by LavCat - 01-05-2005, 01:01 AM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Treesh - 01-05-2005, 04:02 AM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-05-2005, 04:08 AM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-05-2005, 04:13 AM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Bolty - 01-05-2005, 06:54 AM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by LavCat - 01-05-2005, 12:23 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-05-2005, 01:55 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by --Pete - 01-05-2005, 03:35 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by LavCat - 01-05-2005, 09:27 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-05-2005, 09:51 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Catlyn - 01-05-2005, 09:57 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Catlyn - 01-05-2005, 10:01 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Catlyn - 01-05-2005, 10:11 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Roane - 01-05-2005, 10:31 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-05-2005, 10:37 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Roane - 01-05-2005, 10:48 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by --Pete - 01-05-2005, 11:02 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-05-2005, 11:30 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by --Pete - 01-05-2005, 11:52 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Catlyn - 01-06-2005, 12:02 AM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by LavCat - 01-06-2005, 02:28 AM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-06-2005, 04:52 AM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-06-2005, 05:10 AM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by LavCat - 01-06-2005, 05:11 AM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by LavCat - 01-06-2005, 05:47 AM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-06-2005, 01:57 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-06-2005, 02:03 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by --Pete - 01-06-2005, 03:37 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Kevin - 01-06-2005, 05:50 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by LavCat - 01-06-2005, 07:17 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by --Pete - 01-06-2005, 09:52 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Kevin - 01-06-2005, 10:41 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by --Pete - 01-06-2005, 10:56 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Nystul - 01-07-2005, 12:04 AM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by LavCat - 01-07-2005, 01:44 AM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by LavCat - 01-07-2005, 08:17 AM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-07-2005, 03:04 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Mirajj - 01-07-2005, 06:30 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Catlyn - 01-07-2005, 08:02 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Guest - 01-07-2005, 08:04 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Treesh - 01-07-2005, 08:47 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Treesh - 01-07-2005, 08:49 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Mirajj - 01-07-2005, 11:46 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Zippyy - 01-08-2005, 07:21 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Zippyy - 01-08-2005, 07:44 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-08-2005, 08:02 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Roane - 01-09-2005, 01:05 AM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Zippyy - 01-09-2005, 05:10 AM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Tal - 01-09-2005, 01:39 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Roane - 01-09-2005, 06:34 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Zippyy - 01-09-2005, 10:19 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Guest - 01-14-2005, 07:56 PM
Changes to the Stormrage Guild system - by Kevin - 01-14-2005, 10:31 PM

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