12-08-2004, 02:34 AM
Dang Mongo, you're good.
Okay, okay, I concede that point - your runs on the instances were not pointless Achiever-style loot-fests. :) I suppose we hit our "Explorer" modes in two different ways - you by going for exploration of content, and me by going for exploration of gameplay styles. The two ARE mutually exclusive. Unless one doesn't have a jobfe, there's only so much time to play as many characters as I did.
I disagree with your dismissal of tactics for lower level characters, and how their instances are less challenging. One problem at the lower levels is that all too often players are assisted by someone who's too powerful in their party; i.e. the level 35 who tags along on a Gnomeregan run. See, at the level cap, that doesn't come into play - those level 60 chars aren't going to be helped through the level 60 instance by a level 65.
You need just as much expert play to beat Van Cleef with a group of 18's as you do a group of 60's in the higher instances. But how often do a group of 18's actually try? That's my point there.
Finally, we were discussing the PvP server. You are claiming that PvP rewards will include items. Until that happens, I consider it a null argument because it hasn't been done. Same as guild halls in D2. :) Also, how would they balance the high-powered raids and instances for PvE'rs if they don't have access to the same items?
-Bolty
Okay, okay, I concede that point - your runs on the instances were not pointless Achiever-style loot-fests. :) I suppose we hit our "Explorer" modes in two different ways - you by going for exploration of content, and me by going for exploration of gameplay styles. The two ARE mutually exclusive. Unless one doesn't have a jobfe, there's only so much time to play as many characters as I did.
I disagree with your dismissal of tactics for lower level characters, and how their instances are less challenging. One problem at the lower levels is that all too often players are assisted by someone who's too powerful in their party; i.e. the level 35 who tags along on a Gnomeregan run. See, at the level cap, that doesn't come into play - those level 60 chars aren't going to be helped through the level 60 instance by a level 65.
You need just as much expert play to beat Van Cleef with a group of 18's as you do a group of 60's in the higher instances. But how often do a group of 18's actually try? That's my point there.
Finally, we were discussing the PvP server. You are claiming that PvP rewards will include items. Until that happens, I consider it a null argument because it hasn't been done. Same as guild halls in D2. :) Also, how would they balance the high-powered raids and instances for PvE'rs if they don't have access to the same items?
-Bolty
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