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ManaCraft,Nov 3 2004, 12:38 PM Wrote:No offense to any Americans intended, I just don't appreciate the current politics of your country (or at least parts of it). Especially since the gay marriage ban seems to find its roots in religion, which I personally believe should be kept as far away from politics as humanly possible. You simply should not legislate based on religious grounds.
But I'll be the first to admit that I don't fully comprehend the concept of religion as it is in America.
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Don't like American politics? No problem, stay in Denmark, it's a neat place with great people (to include yourself! :) )

Don't understand religion, do you, and its relationship to the social world that is politics? Not surprising. Europe, of course, never had any sort of governmental-religion relationship . . . *bursts out laughing so hard he spills his coffee*

The European Enlightenment is to blame, since it gave birth to the French (and for that matter, American) Revolution, which gave birth to a direct war against the Pope* . . . and which gave birth to Communism, a European idea of governance that that completely bans religion. See, over here, we let religion co exist with government, for better and for worse, and continue to struggle with the places where they rub against one another. It's been a 220 year long struggle that continues. Life is not a TV series, it is a continuum.

How about you read the history of Europe from 1000 to about 1650? See why the American system was a radical departure from that. Then, look at European historhy from 1650 to 1917, and see how that was a different kind of departure from the original. You will understand better, I think, when you are done. I choose 1650 due to its closeness to the English Civil War.

* You will note that Garibaldi CONQUERED the Papal states and was kind enough to let the Pope continue on . . . he could have had the Pope killed and the Vatican razed, had he chosen to do so, which he did not, for a variety of reasons, many of them political. (And the fact that the country that he was trying to unite war predominantly Catholic, and he wanted some taxpayers to tax when he was done . . .)

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