To cheat or not to cheat?

[Occhidiangela]

Hmm, to try and quell the anger that's going around here...

Eh, the Mods are better at it than either you or I. :) Pouring olive oil into a fire won't usually put it out.

Conner: Firstly I'll agree with what you said earlier, but not the way you said it, below is an example of a better method of saying it:

Disclaimer: *snip: ==you know what it said==.

Hmm, obfuscation and volume don't always soothe the savage beast, or the righteous indignation. All they do is take up space. Having waxed verbose now and again, I have fallen into that trap as well.

first; to break this down:

I'd remember that Dii.net is run mostly by women

Gaile Grey is female. OK, her own style, and Elly's, would, I suppose, show a certain 'woman's touch' in that she generally kills with kindness and tries to be nice first, and generally enjoins those near the edge to also be nice. Any good mod does that, though, like Griselda, or Bolty . . .

and no offense to Griselda,

You should probably have put a more generaly disclaimer, like the one above

No, he was attempting to put a small fig leaf over a large behind, and it did not cover up very well. More words do not insincerity mask.

you gals tend to like gossip, conflict, and the "who's cheating on who" stories.

This seems to be the thing that everyone seems to have got a bee in their bonnets about. So I shall take this back to the beginning:
Genereally speaking, everyone likes to get to the top of whatever society or situation they find themselves in, this is just human nature.
This is where men and women 'split up', just onservation of people, and no doubt some studies have shown that in general men try to get to the top by surpassing everyone else, and women generally get to the top by bringing everyone else down, and a good way to do this is to gossip and tell tales. Now, like I've said before there are plenty of women who don't but it still seems to be the majority.

Well, let's see. This was a pretty blatant use of a stereotype, that may or may not have a grain of truth in it, as a reason for . . . whatever. That is bad packaging of the message, or it was a bad message to start with. Zero value added in a forum where people use their heads and hold one another to high standards.

Some examples:

For Him Magazine (UK)

Heat magazine (UK)
*Snip details* You know what you wrote.

This is one example that backs up the case for showing that women to tend to gossip more than men - and to that extent that conner's point was right, and that it was simply badly phrased and would have been treated a bit better if it had been backed up with an example.

I would suggest you look a little deeper, and possibly you will find that the mags in question are based on the views of the editors in chief, and their staff, and their advertisers. They too may be perpetuating a stereotype. And, their audiences are a particular target . . .

Not bashing, I'm just saying.

I'm glad to see that you're not bashing, but if you want to state an opinion I'm not going to stop you...

Try this: 'I am not bashing, I am just saying that Necromancers are all gay necrophiliacs. 'Self protestation of 'not' is sometimes belied by the actual words/evidence, eh? :)

Pete *snip*

You and Pete can resolve that one together.

nicodemus:

*snip*

nothing to add.

Archon:

If he had to fill it with facts then it would be that, facts, not an opinion, the entire difference is that one is a fact and the other an opinion, an opinion is stronger when stated with facts, and to some extent a fact with an opinion can be stronger - however, if someone doesn't have any facts to back up an opinion, it's no reason not to take the opinion for what it is, his opinion. It is a fact that he thinks what he thinks. And what Conner said wasn't sexist, it was making a generalisation, which may have been wrong, unless what he was saying that women do is a derogatory thing, he's not insulting women by saying it, is saying 'all Americans are fat' racist? it depends on whether you want to call American fat as an insult, or if you simply wish to state your opinion that all Americans are obese.

Eh? Stereotyping is not exclusively a racist activity. I will leave it at that.

No doubt my post has been seen as highly controvertial, and will most probably draw flames. I do not like flames, nor to I like drawing flames, but if something needs to be said, I'll brave flames to say it.

Actually, 'incoherent' is closer to the mark than is 'controversial.' I, too, post in a hurry now and again, so I understand that your ideas may have run all over each other. It happens.

-Occhi-