06-25-2004, 05:29 AM
Hi,
So is the fact that some people will enjoy it not a logically valid reason to have it?
No, because as many people hate it as like it (see various polls on the official forums). It adds nothing to the game but an arbitrary and unfair penalty to those who chose to play more. If you are going to punish people, you should at least have some small reason beyond the sadistic pleasure some take in the punishment.
They want to put something in that won't *hurt* the players who play a lot, but will give something that many people who don't play as much might enjoy.
Consider two players. Each only has ten hours a week to play. One plays two hours each night and is always at the 200% level. The other plays 5 hours on Sunday morning and 5 more on Wednesday afternoon. He's at 200% for the first two hours each day, then to 150% for one hour and has to grind out experience at 100% the remaining two hours. Now which is the power gamer and which is the casual gamer and why should the guy playing in two session get SCREWED!?
To some people, it IS more of a competition. To some, it is nice to see their character reach comparable levels to those of other players.
Right. Maybe Blizzard can just let those that can't or won't play write a nice letter. "Dear Blizzard, I think your game is really nice, but there are a lot of other things I'd rather do. Please make my level 2 character into a level 999 so that I can brag about what a great player I am."
Hey, we could do the same thing for the Olympics -- everyone that applies just gets a gold medal. Saves all that damned competition. We could do the same thing in schools, everybody gets a 4.0 (oh, wait, we're already doing that -- which is why so many think they are entitled to everything with no effort on their part).
Don't you see that the people that want the rest system *don't* want the competition. They want the results without the effort.
Rather, as above, if you see a lot of PvPing going on at a certain level that it would have previously taken a casual player 6 months to attain without the rest system, then perhaps they will reach it in 4 months, instead.
Think about what you are saying here. The *only* level PvP players are usually interested in is max level. If a casual, 10 hour a week player can get there in 4 months, (or even 6) what does that say about the total content of the game? About 240 hours? A power gamer on summer vacation will blow through that in about three weeks. By the time the casual gamer gets maxed, he will be three months behind in practice. Sure, if he has great natural talent, he *might* hold his own. And since the rest system will *not* help him in PvP, he will lose ground at the rate of six weeks a week (his ten hours to the power gamer's 70).
we've seen Blizzard take a step toward making it less of a penalty that "simply increases the grind for some players" and more of a bonus to decrease the grind for other players.
Look, if two people each play for ten hours, but one gets double experience for the same number of critters killed, then they are not being treated equally. You can call it a bonus (and probably will if you come out ahead). You can call it a penalty (and probably will if you're the one getting shafted). It doesn't matter what you call it. Ultimately one person is getting a greater reward for the same effort as is another. And no matter how you look at it, you've got to call that "unfair".
--Pete
So is the fact that some people will enjoy it not a logically valid reason to have it?
No, because as many people hate it as like it (see various polls on the official forums). It adds nothing to the game but an arbitrary and unfair penalty to those who chose to play more. If you are going to punish people, you should at least have some small reason beyond the sadistic pleasure some take in the punishment.
They want to put something in that won't *hurt* the players who play a lot, but will give something that many people who don't play as much might enjoy.
Consider two players. Each only has ten hours a week to play. One plays two hours each night and is always at the 200% level. The other plays 5 hours on Sunday morning and 5 more on Wednesday afternoon. He's at 200% for the first two hours each day, then to 150% for one hour and has to grind out experience at 100% the remaining two hours. Now which is the power gamer and which is the casual gamer and why should the guy playing in two session get SCREWED!?
To some people, it IS more of a competition. To some, it is nice to see their character reach comparable levels to those of other players.
Right. Maybe Blizzard can just let those that can't or won't play write a nice letter. "Dear Blizzard, I think your game is really nice, but there are a lot of other things I'd rather do. Please make my level 2 character into a level 999 so that I can brag about what a great player I am."
Hey, we could do the same thing for the Olympics -- everyone that applies just gets a gold medal. Saves all that damned competition. We could do the same thing in schools, everybody gets a 4.0 (oh, wait, we're already doing that -- which is why so many think they are entitled to everything with no effort on their part).
Don't you see that the people that want the rest system *don't* want the competition. They want the results without the effort.
Rather, as above, if you see a lot of PvPing going on at a certain level that it would have previously taken a casual player 6 months to attain without the rest system, then perhaps they will reach it in 4 months, instead.
Think about what you are saying here. The *only* level PvP players are usually interested in is max level. If a casual, 10 hour a week player can get there in 4 months, (or even 6) what does that say about the total content of the game? About 240 hours? A power gamer on summer vacation will blow through that in about three weeks. By the time the casual gamer gets maxed, he will be three months behind in practice. Sure, if he has great natural talent, he *might* hold his own. And since the rest system will *not* help him in PvP, he will lose ground at the rate of six weeks a week (his ten hours to the power gamer's 70).
we've seen Blizzard take a step toward making it less of a penalty that "simply increases the grind for some players" and more of a bonus to decrease the grind for other players.
Look, if two people each play for ten hours, but one gets double experience for the same number of critters killed, then they are not being treated equally. You can call it a bonus (and probably will if you come out ahead). You can call it a penalty (and probably will if you're the one getting shafted). It doesn't matter what you call it. Ultimately one person is getting a greater reward for the same effort as is another. And no matter how you look at it, you've got to call that "unfair".
--Pete
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