So, just what are we talking about?

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Catholic doctrine is that original sin exists, that the reason we needed Christ was to atone for that (and only that, our own sins *we* can atone for once the way was open) and that anyone not baptized does not go to heaven.

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People, and Americans in particular, accept a religion the way they accept a sports team -- uncritically, passionately, and for no rational reason. And then they substitute social interaction for dogma and call that religion. And wonder why those that actually think about all this consider them fools.

To quote one of my friends: "Vatican II happens." The "fact" that you quote hasn't been a part of mainstream Catholic dogma for decades.

One of the biggest hurtles that the modern Church faces is the sheer amount of misinformation out there. You would be amazed what people tell me I belive.

As to the second part, you are showing yourself to be both ignorant and as closeminded as those you criticize. Do you think that any organization can last for two thousand years without "rational reason" or reasoned theories?

That is stupidity.

Have you ever heard of Dominicans, Jesuits or a dozon other orders who do little else? How about Saint Thomas Aquinas, or Spinoza or Saint Tellihard De Chardin or any other Christian (I know Spinoza was Hebrew) philosopher? What presumtion to asume you are the first person ever born with half a brain!


Why don't you try moderating your posts before you insult billions of people at a time and prove your own ignorance conclusively.