12-28-2003, 07:54 AM
Yeah.
I agree, on most if not all of the 22 points.
but first some notes, for not just Occh:
Please STOP calling them "dragons". To call them that diminishes the Tragedy of Smaug. Tolkien only refers to them as "beast". They can't breathe fire, they have beaks (in the book) and in both versions Dernhelm (Eowyn) kills one with a single blow. Compare with Smaug. Please call them, uh, "those flying thingies".
Now, in my opinion, the biggest agreement with Occh I have is:
"Too much wasted time on weepy crap."
HEAR HEAR! Oh, Sam. Oh, Mr. Frodo. Oh, Sam. Oh, Mr. Frodo. I couldn't do it without you, Sam. Don't you leave me, Mr. Frodo. Oh, Sam. And then, Eowyn and her uncle went too long, too. Anyway, it was supposed to be Merry and Theo, not her. If they'd built the Merry-Theo relationship properly, it would have made sense.
My wife disagreed, said the film needed MORE weepy crap and less battle stuff. Hey, a GUY wrote the book, and the weepy stuff was kept in the right proportion (in the book).
As for "RANDOM" death scenes. So all death scenes are supposed to be predictable? Although that Elf-sentry dude at Helm's Deep, that was so random it hurt.
Ha, Sam is a "new age" guy. HAW HAW *snort*. Yeah he led his corner of the Shire into the New Age. But yeah, he might seem sensitive if you equate sensitivity with crying and the feeling that he and Mr. Frodo were on the verge of a big sloppy wet kiss. But that's not gay-- it's that Sam is basically Mr. Frodo's dog. Big sloppy wet kisses from dogs are a wholesome, family activity. (so it's okay)
Okay, now let's have the joy of commenting on the 22 points!
Now now. Liv Tyler, er, whatsherface, has a large percentage (50?) of Elf blood. Elves should be forgiven for having perfect teeth. Half-elves can be forgiven for straight teeth.
Yeah, she is pretty and wonderful, Eowyn's my fave char right now, and I am very pleased with the actress they chose for her. (whom I wouldn't mind squeezing...)
2, 3, agree. 4 already spoke to.
I noticed that too. And the "tens of thousands" from Isengard in TTT looked to be only 10,000. They shoulda adjusted their constants in their computer programs.
So, did anyone else, when the big ol' quadrupeds were coming, think that the fighter ships should wrap cables around their legs???? Just checking.
6-7 Agree.
Another poster here refers to that as Fred Flintstone, kungfu gratuitism. But I thought it was great -- shows what lithe and limber can do to brainless brawn.
9-22. Agree, except maybe for use of dragons, er, beasties.
Some points of my own:
Someone here posted that the book only followed the heroes, and that glimpses of the enemy scenes did not happen. Well. The conversations between two orc chieftains were detailed in the book. Technically they had Frodo locked up in their tower, but he was unconscious, so I think we can't really count that as "seen by hero" can we?? These conversations showed the basis of why almost all the orcs in the tower were dead when Sam entered. The movie showed two orcs fighting over booty and showed a bit of escalation, but it didn't make much sense.
HEY! I WANTED TO SEE THE MOUTH OF SAURON!!! I especially wanted to see Gandalf come up and grab the mithril.
My fave part of the book is Eowyn and Merry dispatching Naz One. When it happened in the movie, I wished to clap, but alas, the audience was silent. I had to beat my knees, quietly, to let my excitement flow. In the book, IIRC, the spirit of Witch-King was sucked shrieking back to Mordor, but that's not described in the chapter where E and M kill him, so ... am I going crazy?? In the movie, he just kinda died quietly.
Yet, Eowyn almost perished in the effort, and I didn't like the movie having her being so healthy. It kinda makes Faramir-Eowyn unexplainable. Maybe that's why there's no Faramir-Eowyn courtship in the movie.
I was happy with the portrayal of Grond.
Something I found annoying in TTT and RotK movies was Obvious Orders. For example, Theo says: take the women and children to the caves (several times). Unfortly, I can't remember any other examples right now, but next time I see the movie(s) they'll pop out at me again.
I just spent an hour or two rereading sections of RotK and damn it rocks. Anyone who hasn't should READ IT!
Oh, one more thing...
Yes, they do. There's a theater in our area called "Cinema and Drafthouse". You sit at tables, you order before the movie, and any refills you get by going over to the bar. That was the perfect place to see "Weekend at Bernies" years ago.
-V
(Does anyone else have the urge, when the Riders of Rohan are riding, to say... to say ... "NI!"??)
I agree, on most if not all of the 22 points.
but first some notes, for not just Occh:
Please STOP calling them "dragons". To call them that diminishes the Tragedy of Smaug. Tolkien only refers to them as "beast". They can't breathe fire, they have beaks (in the book) and in both versions Dernhelm (Eowyn) kills one with a single blow. Compare with Smaug. Please call them, uh, "those flying thingies".
Now, in my opinion, the biggest agreement with Occh I have is:
"Too much wasted time on weepy crap."
HEAR HEAR! Oh, Sam. Oh, Mr. Frodo. Oh, Sam. Oh, Mr. Frodo. I couldn't do it without you, Sam. Don't you leave me, Mr. Frodo. Oh, Sam. And then, Eowyn and her uncle went too long, too. Anyway, it was supposed to be Merry and Theo, not her. If they'd built the Merry-Theo relationship properly, it would have made sense.
My wife disagreed, said the film needed MORE weepy crap and less battle stuff. Hey, a GUY wrote the book, and the weepy stuff was kept in the right proportion (in the book).
As for "RANDOM" death scenes. So all death scenes are supposed to be predictable? Although that Elf-sentry dude at Helm's Deep, that was so random it hurt.
Ha, Sam is a "new age" guy. HAW HAW *snort*. Yeah he led his corner of the Shire into the New Age. But yeah, he might seem sensitive if you equate sensitivity with crying and the feeling that he and Mr. Frodo were on the verge of a big sloppy wet kiss. But that's not gay-- it's that Sam is basically Mr. Frodo's dog. Big sloppy wet kisses from dogs are a wholesome, family activity. (so it's okay)
Okay, now let's have the joy of commenting on the 22 points!
Quote:1. Yay for sparse Liv Tyler presence, the only actor besides Sean Astin in the film with American Orthodontically perfect teeth. Yay for the general exposition of imperfect teeth in the mouths of players, it is more "authentic" of the era before braces.
Now now. Liv Tyler, er, whatsherface, has a large percentage (50?) of Elf blood. Elves should be forgiven for having perfect teeth. Half-elves can be forgiven for straight teeth.
Quote:(I still find the film's Eowyn pretty and wonderful, even though Jackson almost squeezes her down to two dimensions.)
Yeah, she is pretty and wonderful, Eowyn's my fave char right now, and I am very pleased with the actress they chose for her. (whom I wouldn't mind squeezing...)
2, 3, agree. 4 already spoke to.
Quote:5. The charge of the Rhohirrim across the Pelenor was nicely done, though 6000 appear to have turned into more.
I noticed that too. And the "tens of thousands" from Isengard in TTT looked to be only 10,000. They shoulda adjusted their constants in their computer programs.
So, did anyone else, when the big ol' quadrupeds were coming, think that the fighter ships should wrap cables around their legs???? Just checking.
6-7 Agree.
Quote:8. Good Mumakil surfing,
Another poster here refers to that as Fred Flintstone, kungfu gratuitism. But I thought it was great -- shows what lithe and limber can do to brainless brawn.
9-22. Agree, except maybe for use of dragons, er, beasties.
Some points of my own:
Someone here posted that the book only followed the heroes, and that glimpses of the enemy scenes did not happen. Well. The conversations between two orc chieftains were detailed in the book. Technically they had Frodo locked up in their tower, but he was unconscious, so I think we can't really count that as "seen by hero" can we?? These conversations showed the basis of why almost all the orcs in the tower were dead when Sam entered. The movie showed two orcs fighting over booty and showed a bit of escalation, but it didn't make much sense.
HEY! I WANTED TO SEE THE MOUTH OF SAURON!!! I especially wanted to see Gandalf come up and grab the mithril.
My fave part of the book is Eowyn and Merry dispatching Naz One. When it happened in the movie, I wished to clap, but alas, the audience was silent. I had to beat my knees, quietly, to let my excitement flow. In the book, IIRC, the spirit of Witch-King was sucked shrieking back to Mordor, but that's not described in the chapter where E and M kill him, so ... am I going crazy?? In the movie, he just kinda died quietly.
Yet, Eowyn almost perished in the effort, and I didn't like the movie having her being so healthy. It kinda makes Faramir-Eowyn unexplainable. Maybe that's why there's no Faramir-Eowyn courtship in the movie.
I was happy with the portrayal of Grond.
Something I found annoying in TTT and RotK movies was Obvious Orders. For example, Theo says: take the women and children to the caves (several times). Unfortly, I can't remember any other examples right now, but next time I see the movie(s) they'll pop out at me again.
I just spent an hour or two rereading sections of RotK and damn it rocks. Anyone who hasn't should READ IT!
Oh, one more thing...
Quote:They don't serve beer in American theatres, sad to say.
Yes, they do. There's a theater in our area called "Cinema and Drafthouse". You sit at tables, you order before the movie, and any refills you get by going over to the bar. That was the perfect place to see "Weekend at Bernies" years ago.
-V
(Does anyone else have the urge, when the Riders of Rohan are riding, to say... to say ... "NI!"??)