09-10-2003, 08:46 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-10-2003, 08:55 PM by Occhidiangela.)
contravenes the Geneva Conventions
You don't. The Geneva accords concerning the treatment of PoW's are first of all confined to wars that have combatants, wars between cosignatories and between sovereign nations, and more. I am covered by the Geneva Conventions, and you are not. I have a card to prove it. I am Category IV. Stick with what you actually know, you have many strog suits. :)
The status of the folks in Gitmo is a use of the loophole system of jurisprudence, well accepted throughout the Western World and in your own country, except this time it is not in favor of the criminals. So, unless the criminal gets a break and gets off, loopholes in laws aren't good? Nice double standard, real nice. What, you don't trust the US not to treat prisoners well? How about you ask the Iraqis who we held as PoW's in 1991 how they fared?
As to the Moon, I would have to agree, maybe we have already seen the biggest moment in mankind's history. That was a BIG one.
The World Trade Center, against the urban bombings of any number of wars, or against the V rocket attacks in WW II in London, or the Blitz, or fire bombing Tokyo, or Nanking, is not all that much to talk about in terms of human loss of life and a successful attack on the city of an enemy. Compared to an IRA car bombing, its a beaut.
Lots of folks got to see it live on TV, and even live on the interntet. To you it seems big, to me, and compared to a A Bomb on Nagasaki, which I did not see, it aint that big a deal, but a lost battle in an old war no one outside a few thought was being fought.
Being on TV doesn't make an event any more significant in the Big Scheme of Things. It merely paints a very vivid picture to us all in the here and now. The newpaper pictures of babies crying in Chunking was vivid in 1930's, though.
A murder of one man seen on TV is a shocker. The report of seven murders in the newspaper does not register. I'd rather not confuse the message with the medium.
I'd also rather people don't infer a century's significance from a work in progress. The prediction that US will become a menace to the world is beyond laughable, Chicken Little, you can already smell that many here don't want to have to "own" Iraq (per my comments for month in re "OK so you invade Iraq and win, what then? Now you own it, its problems are now yours." Of course I was right!) and so "owning" any of the rest of the world is so unattractive as to be repulsive.
As to the UN: we, and our drinking buddies from World War II, made the whole thing up, and if we keep working with it as over the last 58 years, it eventually will improve (my preference) and if we leave it or completely undermine it, as some idiots suggest, it will collapse. The Big Five are not equal partners with everyone else anyway, folks should not forget that, and Germany should replace France as a Big Five anyway, they have the muscle to back it up.
Don't mistake rhetoric for policy. The U.S aint going to leave UN any time soon. We'll leave NATO long before that would make any political sense.
You don't. The Geneva accords concerning the treatment of PoW's are first of all confined to wars that have combatants, wars between cosignatories and between sovereign nations, and more. I am covered by the Geneva Conventions, and you are not. I have a card to prove it. I am Category IV. Stick with what you actually know, you have many strog suits. :)
The status of the folks in Gitmo is a use of the loophole system of jurisprudence, well accepted throughout the Western World and in your own country, except this time it is not in favor of the criminals. So, unless the criminal gets a break and gets off, loopholes in laws aren't good? Nice double standard, real nice. What, you don't trust the US not to treat prisoners well? How about you ask the Iraqis who we held as PoW's in 1991 how they fared?
As to the Moon, I would have to agree, maybe we have already seen the biggest moment in mankind's history. That was a BIG one.
The World Trade Center, against the urban bombings of any number of wars, or against the V rocket attacks in WW II in London, or the Blitz, or fire bombing Tokyo, or Nanking, is not all that much to talk about in terms of human loss of life and a successful attack on the city of an enemy. Compared to an IRA car bombing, its a beaut.
Lots of folks got to see it live on TV, and even live on the interntet. To you it seems big, to me, and compared to a A Bomb on Nagasaki, which I did not see, it aint that big a deal, but a lost battle in an old war no one outside a few thought was being fought.
Being on TV doesn't make an event any more significant in the Big Scheme of Things. It merely paints a very vivid picture to us all in the here and now. The newpaper pictures of babies crying in Chunking was vivid in 1930's, though.
A murder of one man seen on TV is a shocker. The report of seven murders in the newspaper does not register. I'd rather not confuse the message with the medium.
I'd also rather people don't infer a century's significance from a work in progress. The prediction that US will become a menace to the world is beyond laughable, Chicken Little, you can already smell that many here don't want to have to "own" Iraq (per my comments for month in re "OK so you invade Iraq and win, what then? Now you own it, its problems are now yours." Of course I was right!) and so "owning" any of the rest of the world is so unattractive as to be repulsive.
As to the UN: we, and our drinking buddies from World War II, made the whole thing up, and if we keep working with it as over the last 58 years, it eventually will improve (my preference) and if we leave it or completely undermine it, as some idiots suggest, it will collapse. The Big Five are not equal partners with everyone else anyway, folks should not forget that, and Germany should replace France as a Big Five anyway, they have the muscle to back it up.
Don't mistake rhetoric for policy. The U.S aint going to leave UN any time soon. We'll leave NATO long before that would make any political sense.
Cry 'Havoc' and let slip the Men 'O War!
In War, the outcome is never final. --Carl von Clausewitz--
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum
John 11:35 - consider why.
In Memory of Pete
In War, the outcome is never final. --Carl von Clausewitz--
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum
John 11:35 - consider why.
In Memory of Pete