08-14-2003, 02:09 AM
Gris got my point right, Occhi did not.
Occh, you clearly misunderstood my post. The post of yours I responded to made it sound (to me) as if you blamed "accusation equaled guilt" on the rise of feminism, which given your frothy response to me, you do not believe. So you misspoke, I misheard, or you didn't clarify enough.
Thank you for helping prove my point that since modern feminism came after those other episodes, it could not have caused them. As Gris pointed out, they were my list of "accusation equals guilt". I was trying to show that, historically, feminism could not have possibly caused the accuse/guilt thing.
To give myself credit, I said that "given your posting history" I doubted you would either subscribe to "feminism created accuse=guilt" or just be parroting what others have said. SOOOO then I tried to figure what you MEANT. It appeared that maybe you meant feminism got us the current walking-on-tiptoes about sexual harassment -- NOT the accuse/guilt thing. I stated a glib opinion or two about that.
I apologize for not making myself more clear, and for assuming that you meant all of feminism, not just radical feminism. I too have been around for many of the changes you mention, and it burns me up when people don't recognize the real contribution that feminism has made.
Van
ps. Thanks for making me regret posting on a political topic. It should help me next time I get the urge, and in fact may help me to stop reading them in the first place.
Quote:I don't think he was suggesting that you equate feminism and McCarthyism, Occhi. He was pointing out examples of situations where accusation equaled guilt, no feminism required. That phenomenon is hardly new, and not unique to feminism.Thank you, Gris.
Occh, you clearly misunderstood my post. The post of yours I responded to made it sound (to me) as if you blamed "accusation equaled guilt" on the rise of feminism, which given your frothy response to me, you do not believe. So you misspoke, I misheard, or you didn't clarify enough.
Thank you for helping prove my point that since modern feminism came after those other episodes, it could not have caused them. As Gris pointed out, they were my list of "accusation equals guilt". I was trying to show that, historically, feminism could not have possibly caused the accuse/guilt thing.
To give myself credit, I said that "given your posting history" I doubted you would either subscribe to "feminism created accuse=guilt" or just be parroting what others have said. SOOOO then I tried to figure what you MEANT. It appeared that maybe you meant feminism got us the current walking-on-tiptoes about sexual harassment -- NOT the accuse/guilt thing. I stated a glib opinion or two about that.
I apologize for not making myself more clear, and for assuming that you meant all of feminism, not just radical feminism. I too have been around for many of the changes you mention, and it burns me up when people don't recognize the real contribution that feminism has made.
Van
ps. Thanks for making me regret posting on a political topic. It should help me next time I get the urge, and in fact may help me to stop reading them in the first place.