What is "Heard Immunity"?

[Vandiablo]

"The obese deserve to suffer and die." (Usually not said explicitly, but the thought is there.

Vandiablo: The thought is not there. Nothing which you write here is something that comes to my mind. ...

The question: and I agree with team last post, is what does this cost us.
-liberty (loss of human rights)
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Everyone can make his or her own choice. I do wear a mask, ...
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I don't think it makes much sense to go on the way we do now just to create a society where we wear masks permanently, where we vaccinate for a series of diseases on a yearly basis and in the mean time blame other people and accuse them of not caring for the lives of other people.

(Pardon me for cherry-picking a few things and leaving the rest (and Taem's post) for later ... I have have to work tonight and also can't stay up late.)

okay, maybe "deserve to die" was too strong, and your point is different than the "they deserve it", but I'm picking up a "COVID is an obesity issue, not a general populace issue". I am feeling that this is just a nice facade for "we don't need to do anything, let them suffer". Sorry if that's not underlying your argument, but I have heard people say it. There is evidence that many people feel that fat people deserve harsher punishment if they have done something wrong -- that's science (or at least one study.) Experience tells me that there are definitely haters out there who relish fat people suffering. (I'm BMI 30.5, just over the line into obesity. I used to be bigger.) I don't have time to talk about obesity health so I'll just mention this article about the health benefits of being overweight or mildly obese; I haven't read it closely yet.

I agree it would be better to not have to wear masks indefinitely and get shots every year. But that is the best case scenario if we don't get eradication. And to get to eradication, if too many people will not get vaccinated, we have to wear masks. (That's all out the window now.)

As for "human rights"... Do you know that in our current society people are REQUIRED, when in public and other times, to COVER various ORIFICES. Get on a bus naked sometime, and you'll find out. (Have I ever...?) Some of it is "I don't want to see your ugly thing" but it is mainly a matter of public health. It is part of living in society, especially in densely-populated areas. So when there is a pandemic where asymptomatic people are spreaders, it is not unreasonable to require people in public to cover their filthy mouths. If people could just strictly do that for a while, then masks would no longer be necessary. But once we learned that masks work, the anti-maskers have complained (thanks, Don!) about their "rights" and then we had hundreds of thousands (U.S.) MORE people die. People who would not have died otherwise, people who did not "deserve" to die, people who had no fault of their own. (eppie, most of this not directed at you, thanks for wearing the mask)

And "and in the mean time blame other people and accuse them of not caring for the lives of other people." Chr!st! Not caring about other people is a huge, huge driver in masklessness and needless deaths. When people are killing other people, it's not just "blame" and "accusation" to call them out on it! It is the responsible thing to do! All this crap just because you don't want a cloth on your face is frickin' criminal. ("You" meaning a typical anti-masker, not eppie, who wears a mask.)

(Ugh, even cherry-picking didn't keep me from going too long. And do you know I actually dislike disagreements? Hard to tell.)

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(And as for my comment about Jester, I don't mean that he would say the dumbass stuff I do, I mean that he replies very well to posts I feel need an informative, reasonable counter-response -- I cannot remember ever disagreeing with him -- my replies have too much froth and only contain a mere outline of a reasonable argument with some steps missing. )  
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-V
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