This sounds like a great idea!
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(06-23-2017, 04:16 AM)DeeBye Wrote:
(06-22-2017, 09:43 PM)Ashock Wrote: What guy when around other guys does not at least sometime in their life talk like that?

Men who think it's normal - even jokingly - to talk about sexually assaulting women disgust me. Some of us are not cavemen.

I agree with the first part of your statement entirely, it disgusts me also. However, the notion that our male ancestors treated our female ancestors like animals is pretty much a myth now and is no longer the consensus in most scientific communities. Evidence suggests that Hunter/Gatherer societies, on the contrary, were quite egalitarian. Hierarchy between the sexes didn't really come to be until the introduction of agriculture when surpluses of resources began to explode; roughly 7,000 years ago or so. And so class society developed for the first time ever.

What people like Ashock fail to understand is this: Just about every president has likely cheated; regardless of party affiliation. Bill just happened to get caught. But then again, "cheating" wouldn't be an issue if marriage wasn't an institution that was designed to perpetuate and uphold private property relations, in the first place. I'm not necessarily against marriage itself, however, so much as I am against marriage under THE PRESENT ORDER of things. Other communists may have more radical positions on this than I do, and are against the institution of marriage ENTIRELY because of its historical subjugation of women in many societies. They may be right, since under post capitalist organization of society, it doesn't seem like marriage would be a necessary endeavor anymore for either economic or social/cultural reasons; as it is now. It's hard to say for sure, but it seems a logical outcome when taken into consideration the social relations that comprise capitalistic societies, and their distinction from those that would comprise a communist one, or even a lower stage socialist one for that matter.

Lastly, when a woman "cheats" on her husband, she tends to be viewed in a much more negative light than when the opposite happens, due to the bourgeois conception of male superiority and domination over the female sex. This is of course, a result of the structural origin of marriage during feudal times, when women were the absolute property of their husbands that were either kings, dukes, or otherwise members of a royal family, and it was passed down through generations. As society began to industrialize and technology and markets began to replace agrarian life during the Industrial Revolution, this changed right up into modern capitalism with the dissolution of most monarchies, where, men no longer had absolute ownership over their wives but because of their historical position as the ruling class relative to women, it was and still is more socially acceptable for them to cheat...even if its looked down upon. If a woman cheats, she will face the same scorn ten fold. Of course in some societies, women still have virtually zero rights as wives or as humans period - I'm looking at you Saudi Arabia.
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This sounds like a great idea! - by Ashock - 06-16-2017, 10:54 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by DeeBye - 06-17-2017, 03:44 AM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by eppie - 06-18-2017, 02:31 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Tal - 06-19-2017, 01:18 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Ashock - 06-19-2017, 05:12 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Lissa - 06-19-2017, 05:36 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Ashock - 06-19-2017, 06:56 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Lissa - 06-19-2017, 08:11 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Ashock - 06-19-2017, 08:40 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Ashock - 06-19-2017, 10:50 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Ashock - 06-20-2017, 06:28 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Lissa - 06-20-2017, 01:57 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Ashock - 06-20-2017, 04:38 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Lissa - 06-20-2017, 06:30 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by eppie - 06-20-2017, 07:09 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Ashock - 06-20-2017, 08:32 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Lissa - 06-21-2017, 02:26 AM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by DeeBye - 06-21-2017, 05:51 AM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Ashock - 06-21-2017, 04:38 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by eppie - 06-21-2017, 06:42 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Ashock - 06-21-2017, 08:47 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by eppie - 06-22-2017, 06:45 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Ashock - 06-22-2017, 09:43 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by DeeBye - 06-23-2017, 04:16 AM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by FireIceTalon - 06-23-2017, 04:33 AM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Ashock - 06-23-2017, 04:35 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Lissa - 06-23-2017, 06:48 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Ashock - 06-23-2017, 10:38 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Lissa - 06-24-2017, 02:01 AM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by eppie - 06-24-2017, 05:50 AM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Ashock - 06-26-2017, 08:35 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by eppie - 06-27-2017, 03:36 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Ashock - 06-27-2017, 05:32 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by kandrathe - 06-29-2017, 02:59 AM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by eppie - 06-30-2017, 05:21 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by kandrathe - 06-30-2017, 10:38 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Bolty - 06-21-2017, 07:02 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Ashock - 06-21-2017, 09:12 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by DeeBye - 06-20-2017, 04:49 AM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by LennyLen - 06-19-2017, 12:44 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by Tal - 06-20-2017, 05:32 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by kandrathe - 06-24-2017, 05:44 AM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by kandrathe - 06-24-2017, 09:32 AM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by eppie - 06-25-2017, 08:47 AM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by kandrathe - 06-24-2017, 07:31 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by kandrathe - 06-25-2017, 06:28 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by eppie - 06-25-2017, 07:26 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by kandrathe - 06-25-2017, 08:49 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by eppie - 06-26-2017, 06:53 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by kandrathe - 06-26-2017, 10:17 PM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by LavCat - 07-01-2017, 12:22 AM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by kandrathe - 07-01-2017, 03:00 AM
RE: This sounds like a great idea! - by LavCat - 07-01-2017, 04:04 AM

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