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And that Sorceress rocking the bare midriff? I mean, come on.

Re: D2 sorceress. Undercleavage shown in her starting outfit.

Lod-Assasin. That to-to, tototo, thong! I raise my STR up so I can pull her pants up.

No srsly, I'm actually not a fan of 'bikini armor', and I hate when it's done badly in any medium. Read, almost all the time.


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But your defence seems to either misunderstand what I'm saying, or to intentionally confuse the issue to deflect from the obvious point. Not about shirtless people. Not about anyone's right to an art style. Not about realism. It's about the asymmetrical hypersexualization of female characters.

I'll say this as respectfully and genuinely as possible.

You want me to talk about your obvious point, and not about what you think is deflecting the issue?

Then I suggest you don't casually throw around insinuations that an artist has 'mommy issues' when they draw a figure with bigger than life breasts. I also suggest not throwing around 'I understand it's fantasy, it's not about realism', then ask, 'well how does her dress hold up in actual battle then?'

Because in previous similar discussions you've shown you are capable of understanding the concept of separation of art and artists, and tropes (good or bad ones) of a genre.

For what little it's worth, examples of Kamitami's previous work is easily found online. And from what I've seen, he doesn't do big breast errwhere style, all day erry day.

You or anyone else is entitled to the opinion that the game's artwork shows one sided hypersexualization. I'm entitled to question whether that opinion is based on a superficial reaction, or a more thorough reading\look.

And anyone else is also entitled to question my questions. At least it keeps me honest (looking). Everyone is entitled, entitlements for everyone! Huzza!

Diablo (II more than I) wasn't exactly perfect on that metric, but it's a fair sight better than most. I can actually imagine the women fighting in that costume, within the universe they've created. I'm okay with weird universes and magical powers. I'm even okay with extremely sexualized worlds - actually, I of prefer them, though this isn't much explored in most games.

Again, D2 sorc, underboob. I don't care how skilled of an elementalist you are, unless she casted a perma spell of ward off hypothermia (off screen before hand), underboob exposure can be deadly when approaching Act 5 Harrogath climate.

The Corrupted Rogues enemy? They seem to gain more than a couple of cup sizes in their corrupted state vs regular rogues. Especially the ones wielding a spear. I don't remember any ingame\in universe explanation for that one.

LoD Assasin, one of my favourite class to play. What I honestly truly do not enjoy, putting STR up so she can wear pants, because otherwise she shows me her ass cheeks everytime she faces north of my monitor screen.

I appreciate the technical work that goes into modeling such a beautiful ass-pects. I really do. But I wouldn't mind if she has yoga pants\tights instead for her starting outfit. Still form fittingly sexy and fits her char.



Despite all that I don't and won't casually throw a personal insinuation on D2 artists (or any other artists), based solely on seeing a limited sample of their creative work. I don't have that right, nothing gave me that right as best as I remember.

If someone thinks they have that right, well where's -their- creative work? I wanna see\read\hear it. So I can also determine whether or not they have any 'issues'. Fair's fair, right?

That's it and that's all, everything else we can cordially agree to disagree on.