I recommend you Dragon´s Crown
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(01-13-2014, 11:38 AM)Jester Wrote: To be clear, this is not about the following: Things which are sexy. Things which are exaggerated. Things which are vibrant. Things which communicate visually in bold ways.

This is about the following: hypersexualization, reducing otherwise interesting characters to sex objects.

If you wanted to make a hypersexualized male, this is maybe a 6/10. Broad shoulders? Okay. Bishi good looks? Check. But other than that? He's a gigantic dude in plate mail with a big sword. If I wanted to go-a-demon-slaying, that's the guy I want to be. Fully clothed, heavily armed, well-protected, and if he's sexy, it's clear his primary purpose isn't to be sexual.

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Um.

-Jester

Quote: ...and if he's sexy, it's clear his primary purpose isn't to be sexual.
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I know some real life women who would disagree with that assessment.
Broad shouldered, big armed, in literal armor, with gorgeous bishi Fabio face? Seriously, I once went to a Medieval Knights dinner and tournament.

There was no shortage of women there who figuratively, and sometimes literally swooned. A few were looking at the Knights with hungry eyes. And this was after the feast was served.

Re: the fighter sword, is actually not that big. INB4 Freud.

You say this is not about exaggeration, you say get that and you understand it. Yet you still say 'how does her dress even hold up?'. It's suspended by disbelief and fantasy. That and magic tape.

If you have a complaint that males are the only one fully clothed in this game, well there is the no shirt wearing barrel chested, muscular Dwarf. And before anyone says 'that's not exactly sexy for women'....let's just say I know some women who again, would absolutely disagree.

Anyhow, if anyone bothered with the artwork, bothers to look at how Kamitami approach his work, he draws the concept art first, then builds the game mechanics after. They might be surprised.

Look at the skeleton that is associated with the sorceress, yes I know the original pic you linked to emphasizes her large mammary glands. But this isn't just a case of hur durr, look at me I like painting bewbz.

Breasts\acorn has been used as a symbol of fertility and life, for quite a while now.

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Again, crack open an art history book circa ancient roman times and other antiquity, where there was statues and painting of multi breasted\acorn figures. Kamitami is cheeky cheesecake compared to some of what can be found in art history.

That skeleton I mentioned, that isn't just some random element.

I'm glad that you did change the pre-edited zoomed in pic, because that seemed to imply that this game is nothing more than a male gaze simulator.


http://dragons-crown.wikia.com/wiki/Sorceress

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Based on the info above, she sounds like a summoner\necromancer type. Why the big breastesess? She can also summon food. What's with the skeleton? This could be a visual pun.

ie: She's so sexy she can wake the dead.

But wait see, that's the whole point of hypersexualizing it!
Except, I really doubt there is a huge demand by people, who wants to play a heroic magician that looks like a 1000 year old dried up husk of a human shell. It's called fantasy for a reason.

You can say that you don't like the image\any kind of art work. That's perfectly fine. It's not to your taste, that's fine too. I would defend anyone's right to disagree on those things.

Saying that 'it's someone's mommy issues' with a hat and a staff? Um, projecting much?


Long story short.

The in game camera afaik, does not zoom into any cleavage and blows them up to 150% magnification. That's how some people might see the artwork, but that's not how it's actually presented in the game.

But if you really want me to cut to the chase. There are patently obvious, sexist, exploitive video games. It caters only to the male gaze, and cares nothing for any gameplay, or any other visual aspect other than T and A.

Dragon's Crown IMO, is not one of them. It's extremely easy to pick out the Sorceress and Amazon, and superficially say they're just walking breasts and thighs, see! Obvious sexism.

Link to zoomed in image of cleavage.

Um..done.

Except, if this was just a labour of lust for both bewbiez and money, the artist and the studio wasted a lot of time, effort, and money lavishing the same attention to detail and effort to the food, environment,
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and male characters.

If this is as badly male chauvinistic as some people claim it is, you would have few if any male chars. Everything but the boobs and ass physics would look and play like it's barely out of beta testing. Game play control would consist mostly of panty shots and one handed controller action. It would also likely be a subscription based 'MMOG'.

Playing this game at a friends house (he bought the PS3 version), I am not convinced it's just all about the 'bewbz' and hypersexualizing reduction. Sadly, there are more than a few vidyas that fits your claim. DCrown, is not one of them IMO.

Superficially it can look that way. Play the actual game even for a bit, or look at other art in the game besides -just- the Sorceress and Amazon, and you might revise your opinion. Or not.

I've offered my take on it, other than that I still want to buy the art book because I genuinely like the art in general and the studio.

If anyone else does not, or doesn't think it's art, that's fine too. I just want to support an artist with obvious mommy issues I guess.
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I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by gronbek - 01-08-2014, 10:20 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by shoju - 01-10-2014, 09:01 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by DeeBye - 01-11-2014, 05:05 AM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by gronbek - 01-11-2014, 11:07 AM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Jester - 01-13-2014, 01:50 AM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Jester - 01-13-2014, 11:38 AM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Hammerskjold - 01-13-2014, 01:59 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Bolty - 01-13-2014, 04:44 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Jester - 01-13-2014, 10:35 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Frag - 01-13-2014, 11:56 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Jester - 01-14-2014, 12:51 AM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Jester - 01-14-2014, 02:09 AM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Jester - 01-14-2014, 12:46 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Jester - 01-15-2014, 12:32 AM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Jester - 01-15-2014, 01:37 AM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by DeeBye - 01-15-2014, 03:06 AM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by DeeBye - 01-15-2014, 03:20 AM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Jester - 01-15-2014, 12:15 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Bolty - 01-15-2014, 09:10 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Jester - 01-13-2014, 05:56 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Jester - 01-15-2014, 12:44 AM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by gronbek - 01-15-2014, 07:55 AM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Bolty - 01-15-2014, 04:28 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by shoju - 01-15-2014, 04:08 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by shoju - 01-15-2014, 08:44 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by gronbek - 01-15-2014, 07:05 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Tal - 01-15-2014, 09:28 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Bolty - 01-16-2014, 01:24 AM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by DeeBye - 01-16-2014, 03:35 AM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Bolty - 01-16-2014, 01:32 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Lissa - 01-17-2014, 12:23 AM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Tal - 01-17-2014, 04:50 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Bolty - 01-17-2014, 08:19 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Tal - 01-22-2014, 02:10 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by DeeBye - 01-18-2014, 07:08 AM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Mavfin - 01-16-2014, 03:41 AM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by DeeBye - 01-16-2014, 04:47 AM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Jester - 01-16-2014, 12:07 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Bolty - 01-17-2014, 01:32 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Jester - 01-18-2014, 04:57 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by shoju - 01-17-2014, 03:41 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by shoju - 01-17-2014, 10:29 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by shoju - 01-21-2014, 05:35 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by DeeBye - 01-22-2014, 05:44 AM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by Mavfin - 01-23-2014, 04:39 PM
RE: I recommend you Dragon´s Crown - by shoju - 01-27-2014, 09:26 PM
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