Blackfish documentary on CNN - anyone else watch it?
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(11-06-2013, 07:42 AM)Jester Wrote:
(11-06-2013, 12:48 AM)FireIceTalon Wrote: Sounds more like a description of the typical Neoclassical Economics model Big Grin

So, that would be a "no, I'd rather change the topic back to critiquing what exists"?

-Jester

Comrade, the purpose of Marxism is not to sit around and construct new worlds out of our heads based some perfect conception of how society should be, as even communists, like anyone else, have disagreements or different solutions to a particular problem. I know you are constantly told otherwise by our bourgeois institutions and media, but this was never Marxisms purpose, nor should it be. There is a damn good reason why Marx and Engels rejected and critiqued the utopian socialists that came before them, and the same reason why they never wrote a complete detailed outline as to how communism would exactly look. Because to do so would be entirely unscientific - no one can predict exact future material conditions as there are too many variables. So asking one to look into a crystal ball to see what a future society will look like down to the very smallest finite detail in itself is utopian, and quite a bit to ask for don't you think? This is why Neoclassical economics is nonsense - because it starts with a utopian model and then tries to make predictions or assumptions without taking real world models into account. It has gotten to a point where I trust weathermen more than I do economists nowadays.

Marxism is a tool for understanding the current social order and how it works, and by understanding its social interactions, it can also be used as a framework for how an alternative social order may be constructed (as well as the agency behind the social change), based on a diametrically opposite set of social interactions, but it would be frivolous and unrealistic to think that it can outline every little detail of it as I explained above. Thus defining communism as anything else besides or beyond a classless and stateless society (without markets or money) where the means of production are held in common is idealistic, and unscientific. Marx and Engels observed the structure and processes of capitalism that organically make it a volatile and exploitative system, and gave us a starting point to show that a better world is possible. But the rest is up to us. Even if a revolution is successful and capitalism is overthrown, we don't just wake up one day and say "we have communism" - it won't magically appear, it something that has to be built.
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RE: Blackfish documentary on CNN - anyone else watch it? - by FireIceTalon - 11-06-2013, 08:03 PM

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