Just another reason to hate religious extremists and organized religion in general...

[kandrathe]

Shoju, Hammerskjold, Kandrathe, etc...

You realize that you're trying to teach a pig to sing, right?

Yes, maybe it is futile.

Even though FIT ignored Bertrand Russell (and why should he care what some other brilliant atheist, and socialist thinker wrote over 100 years ago. It's not sanctioned by the Revleft crowd, so it must be dog crap.), I read it all again to be better informed why a brilliant Nobel prize winning founder of modern philosophy would pillory Marx.

In fact he wrote, "For my part, while I am as convinced a Socialist as the most ardent Marxian, I do not regard Socialism as a gospel of proletarian revenge, nor even, primarily, as a means of securing economic justice. I regard it primarily as an adjustment to machine production demanded by considerations of common sense, and calculated to increase the happiness, not only of proletarians, but of all except a tiny minority of the human race." —Bertrand Russell, "The Case for Socialism" (In Praise of Idleness, 1935, pg. 81)

What I found interesting while I read his lectures, was that BR (a pacifist) was watching world events intently at that time, reflecting on it as it unfolded. He had analyzed the pre- WWI German socioeconomic climate, watched it swing toward social democracy, then after WWI as it snapped in a nationalistic rage, back into the perversion we know as national socialism. My schism with BR is in his strict adherence to his pacifism in the face of unrestrained brutality. There comes a time when in order to save all you hold dear, you grab the gun and shoot your assailant in the face.

What FIT fails to connect is proto- Marxist undefined revolutionary goals, and their inevitable consequent carnage. Marxism stops at "Burn it down". And, has no answer for; "How does it work now that we've got ashes?"

The hard part of maintaining a diverse society is defining how we live together with respect for one another, and not as in the OP "hate" ... Even when you disagree with the other persons point of view.

I am at least still hopeful, FIT can find his way out of the smokey Bavarian beer hall, and opt to tipple a glass of fine port with the gents at Oxford. He may not be up for it intellectually, but we shall see.