The Israeli Palestinian conflict

[TaiDaishar]

Read his reply to me. Considering his arguments, can you say that is not precisely what he is arguing? Yes, it's dressed up very nicely in all sorts of strongly worded phrases and excuses for everything the Israelis have ever done.

Did he really say what Israel did was good? No, he pointed the fact that civilian casulaties caused by Israeli military are accidental and are never wished for.

Reading his post, one would wonder if they are a nation state, or just a flight of misunderstood angels walking the earth, stoically sharing a land with the worst humanity has to offer.

So I take it that you say Israel is NOT defending itself? Israel is intentionally killing civilian citizens? Israel did not try to get peace with offers some would even say suicidal?

(can a bankrupt non-state have a standing army?)

A very good question, especially because Arafat does have an army.

and the Israelis are the legitimate rulers of the region excersizing their power

The Israelis do have a legitimate rule over Israel and they're not just "excersizing their power" they're protecting their people from terrorist attacks and in order to make the defence more successful they're moving it to the enemy's court and just for the mere fact soldiers are there less Israeli civilians will be hurt.

The Israelis are not and should not be restrained in their power by anything but their goodwill.

They pretty much were like that for a long time now, no one has put any leash on the Israeli army since 11/9, what prevents Israel from testing how far they can go (and probably very far since USA is still in quite a shock from 11/9)

Perhaps, with his rather extreme version of events

And please, do tell the "real" version of events, either you say that or don't speak

not supported even by open statements of hawkish Israeli leaders

What leaders are you refering to? And what events are they not supporting? Either way it matters nothing, politicians are politicians and some times if you'll stick a dead rotting corpse below their nose they won't say a thing about it

Yeah, and occupying territory acquired through conquest. For thirty years. Against dozens of UN resolutions, or near-resolutions vetoed by the US. And setting up further and further settlements into land initally controlled by Palestinians, then claiming the right to defend those settlements, thereby annexing large tracts of land for reasons that seem to be little more than religious (Golan Heights, anyone?).

First of all, let me put into the record that the UN is a bunch of lazy idiots who just sit on their asses and if they see something wrong in their eyes at today's newspaper they go right out and say it's wrong, sorry but the UN is a paper and don't even have any reason to actually exist.

You seem to also forget that those settlments are illegal in Israel and the Israeli army and police do a lot in order to evacuate them (sometimes with force) and even though they are illegal, the settlers are still Israeli citizens and still require protection.

So, unless one is willing to accept the annhilation of the Palestinians

This lone sentence just made me realize you're just as bad as a lot of Palestinian leaders I saw on TV, saying Israel is destroying them but not giving any damn good argument why and where or how.