(12-16-2012, 09:03 PM)Taem Wrote: I can agree with this. The only difference is you feel this man would benefit being institutionalized, and I feel he should be institutionalized until proven sane, then forced to stand trial and face his crimes and so he suffers inside for what he's done. Of course, does not matter now that he's dead, but are you saying that is wrong of me to feel this way about him? Would it be wrong of me to say that perhaps it's an American thing to think this way?
Meat, I don't necesarrily think this guy (or people like him) would benefit from being institutionalized. First I mean getting psychological support (I am sorry I know a dutch name for this and I am not really sure how to translate this). This mean having a system in place where people who have mental problems or are diagnosed with real mental diseases have the chance to 'not become lost'. The thing is, this costs a lot of money....a lot of 1 on 1 sessions with highly trained people etc. So the question than is (maybe you can ask yourself this question): do I want to pay 2% more income tax to be able to reduce violent outbreaks where mental patients kill or wound other innocent people.
Second: I am not seeing the benefit for this guy (or people like him) as the most important thing. The most important thing is that societu will benefit.
(12-16-2012, 09:10 PM)Jester Wrote: And is the United States uniquely endowed with an abundance of lunatics? I can't see why, although sometimes it's tempting to think so. I do, however, stick to the idea that the US, however distinct, is a country like most others composed of people like most others.
-Jester
Please read my contributions. It is important that a country has a system to help and treat mentally ill or unstable people or people who are suicidal. This costs money and a big effort of course.
We can also see the comparison with China here (which was mentioned in the first post in this thread. China also doens't have good support for people with mental issues.
And to Occhi: it is too simple to take one event and base your argumentation on that.
Good support can help reduce these type of events. No legal gun ownership will do the same and will reduce the number of victims in some of these kind of events. But you will never be able to get rid of these things 100%.