12-16-2012, 09:21 PM
I sure didn't expect to break my posting fast to support FIT, but here it is. 
We could also apply your logic to cars. I could kill a LOT of people, especially children, with my car. Easily as many as this person did with a gun. You should see how many kids there are on the sidewalk before and after school starts down the street. And it would take a lot longer for me to run out of gas than this guy would have taken to run out of bullets, even with the biggest magazine available. This was a shock crime, but could have been committed a number of ways with as much effectiveness. But we are blaming the gun not the psycho, or the person who gave the psycho the gun.
This particular event really is the anomaly. Most of our gun crime is gang related, which also relates to drugs. If we can't stop them getting drugs to sell how are we going to stop them getting guns? And if we did have a tight enough police state to manage that, that is probably when we would want our gun rights back.
They also tend to slip off my face. Is this the sunglasses company telling me I have a funny face?
(12-16-2012, 03:57 AM)DeeBye Wrote: I'm not sure how you call that a "strawman argument". You suggested that creating tougher laws won't work, because people like this will ignore the law anyways. I've seen this argument used a lot, and I disagree with it. Rape is illegal, yet people are raped every day. Should we not have strict anti-rape laws because rapists will ignore the law anyways?Using your example the law should be an anti penis law to prevent rape. Not every person with a y chromosome is going to rape someone just like every gun owner isn't out to murder. Outlawing certainly would have an effect, but not all positive. Should we also outlaw guns for police? Security? Where is the line? You're still hoping that those people can use it responsibly. Outlawing just guarantees that shady people will far outnumber law abiding when it comes to gun ownership. Control is a much more valid argument than ban.
We could also apply your logic to cars. I could kill a LOT of people, especially children, with my car. Easily as many as this person did with a gun. You should see how many kids there are on the sidewalk before and after school starts down the street. And it would take a lot longer for me to run out of gas than this guy would have taken to run out of bullets, even with the biggest magazine available. This was a shock crime, but could have been committed a number of ways with as much effectiveness. But we are blaming the gun not the psycho, or the person who gave the psycho the gun.
This particular event really is the anomaly. Most of our gun crime is gang related, which also relates to drugs. If we can't stop them getting drugs to sell how are we going to stop them getting guns? And if we did have a tight enough police state to manage that, that is probably when we would want our gun rights back.
Quote:I sometimes use my head to display my sunglasses too.I look nerdy even in the coolest sunglasses for some reason.
They also tend to slip off my face. Is this the sunglasses company telling me I have a funny face?