Criminal Deeds

[Taem]

Case and point, I do agree that we as a society could do more to help people with morality, I've been saying this for years on these boards, but I don't know the correct way to do it, and I feel putting the power into the states or feds hands could and would lead to political abuse of the system.

I don't completely see what you mean with morality here (maybe it is because I don't get the finesse of the language), but I don't see how you would connect supporting people with mental illness to political abuse.

I mean if you really think that way and trust your government so little I would emigrate if I were you.

NOTE: SORRY TO DO THIS, BUT I HEAVILY EDITED THIS AFTER SOME THOUGHT! IT SAYS ROUGHLY THE SAME THING, BUT IS MUCH CLEARER AFTER MY EDIT; REGARDS

Lol, no I trust my government, maybe too much ! In regards to what I was saying about power is that power will be abused. I do trust the states and feds to a degree, but I don't want them to have the power to declare me insane because of my political point of views; and what does this have to do with the shooter and reform you ask? I have a fear of loosing my freedoms unjustly, and what I fear more than the current system is a system where, to try and pinpoint psychopathic behavior before it becomes a problem, we have to closely monitor everyone's actions, everything they type or say. I can't really fathom any solution your presenting in which a social system can "predict" psychological instability by simply "watching" them, and if they "feel" there is a problem, stepping in. That seems more like a fantasy than the link I presented IMO.

So in regards to helping people who have problems, what I've always advocated is teaching children - from first grade all the way to 12th grade - the correctness of right versus wrong; "you see a kitty with a broken arm stuck in a drain, do you, a) call for help, b) try and push it down the drain so it can hopefully get free later on, c) walk away and forget about it, or d) kill it so it won't have to suffer anymore." Of course, even sociopaths will answer correctly, however if the lesson plan is to talk about the consequences of each of those decisions and what "is" right, I feel the lesson plan has a much greater chance of sinking in as opposed to not teaching morality at all! What's that, you say? Let's face it, all institutions leave it to the parents to teach their children morality, and hope that the parents are moral themselves and that if they aren't, the children are smart enough to see a different future for themselves, but this is seldom the case, hence the term, "like father, like son."

Let me summarize this; tldr: We have social systems in place now in America, but they aren't so effective when the individual chooses to remain under the radar. The only way I can see your method being effective would be to monitor people to such a degree - as to know when a person is about about explode - it would require total control, i.e. KGB-style watchdog software. And this would undoubtedly be abused, is what I was saying, which is why in the end, I think preventative care is the best option, i.e. teaching morality.

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Your right, I am mad. I feel that inhumane bastard deserves to be tried in a court of law, so he could see the damage he's done, and feel responsible and the remorse involved. He took the easy way out and that is what upsets me so much! I'd rather he was killed by police even than shot himself in the head.

MEat, I am sorry I have to say this to another valued member of the lounge but you clearly not understanding what is the situation here.
Do you seriously think someone who killed 20 children would 'see the light' if he would be taken to court?

Of course not. It's a revenge type mentality I guess.

When you kill 20 children you are completely insane, and you don't have feelings the same way you and I have.

I can agree with this. The only difference is you feel this man would benefit being institutionalized, and I feel he should be institutionalized until proven sane, then forced to stand trial and face his crimes and so he suffers inside for what he's done. Of course, does not matter now that he's dead, but are you saying that is wrong of me to feel this way about him? Would it be wrong of me to say that perhaps it's an American thing to think this way?