07-22-2003, 12:29 PM
Feryar,Jul 22 2003, 08:26 AM Wrote:You seem to be blaming only the palestinians for this conflict, or at least that is how I read it.The Palestinians did start this entire mess in the first place, that's why I blame them most, especially after such a generous offer made by Israel's Prime Minister, they metaphorically slapped Israel's face by turning into terrorism after this offer and this is why most people in Israel do not believe peace can be resolved (although still hope for one, even the ones yelling "Death to Arabs").
In my eyes, a helicopter firing rockets against a car in the middle of rush hour, killing maybe one a-hole but also doing parts of his family in adition to anyone unlucky enough to be nearby, is no better than someone blowing a bomb on a bus. I don't consider the Israel army to be a bit better than their arab enemies.
There, I've said it. I know I should not have, but that is indeed how I feel about it.
There are always two sides to a conflict. Always. Keep that in mind.
And you are right about one thing, a helicopter firing rockets against a car is not very subtle and I hate this way as much as you do, going out and saying that you believe that a helicopter firing rockets in order to kill an "a-hole" as you put it and unfortunately hitting civilians is the same as a fanatical muslim blowing himself up in order to kill jews no matter age/sex believing that because he killed those jews in his death he will now be granted permission to heaven (and 70 virigins) is something that makes me want to hit you with my trout.
Quote:So if some other nation takes over Israel, then Israel will have no claim since it now belongs to that other nation?
You took that phrase out of proportion (my fault as well, I admit), what I meant is that Israel captured these territories when they were the DEFENDER, Israel did not attack at first, the Arab League did and by now demanding the terriroties that were captured by the enemy you forced war unto is like punching someone in the nose and then suing them for hitting you back.
Quote:A terrorist organisation in whose eyes? The same people who would classify the Isreali army as a 'security force'?
And how do you classify the Israeli army? Israel if it really wanted to, could kill/throw anyone from the Palestinian territories (not saying that is good and/or Israel will really do it) and Israel NOT doing is a partial reason why Israel's army isn't just an oppression force like so much think it is.
The reason why most people think Israel is bad is because Israel is considered the big, powerful nation using guns against hapless citizens while the Palestinians are generally considered as poor people trying their best to defend themselves against guns with rocks and stones.
In order to try and give you some perspective, imagine you, an adult, being cursed by the child next door constantly and him throwing rocks on you, when you finally grab the little brat in the shirt and asking him (with a little amount of fury of course) why is he doing it and he starts crying, you will be considered by the passbyers as a bad man, but are you a bad man? Are the passbyers judgment is correct when they saw only the end of the conflict instead of the entirity of it?
"Turn the key deftly in the oiled wards, and seal the hushed casket of my soul" - John Keats, "To Sleep"