Goodbye Twinkies.

[bldavis]

i have a question for you


where the fuck do you live?

i have lived and dealt with capitalism my whole life, i have gone through losing my job due to the plant being shutdown
my family has had to close up shop on its landscaping business due to a shite economy
i have worked for free just to keep the company afloat at times, and you are telling me that the workers shouldnt have to pick between losing a little off thier paycheck and losing their jobs...

i find that rather amusing...that i am the one saying hey, the worker has some stake in the success in the business, and that if need be, might have to make a minor sacrifice in order to keep their livelihood.
i didnt get a chance to even consider losing my job or losing some pay.
if i had, i would have taken an 8% pay cut as long as it meant i kept putting food on my families table

you hate welfare states, well guess what is happening to these workers now.
unemployment with little chance of rehiring due to limited cross training outside of mass bakeries.
if you work for a struggling company, under our current economic system, you either will have to make sacrifices or you need to GTFO early and cut your losses

if we were a socialist state, maybe this wouldnt be an issue
but we arent, we are capitialist.

i will admit, the cutting of payroll and liquidating of assets may bring a fair chunk of money, but how much of that is going to pay off debt?
how much of that is going to pay for unemployment for the workers? not to mention the broken contracts with the unions. you have not only the bakery workers union but at least one other (the teamsters) that are suddenly jobless with this company.
somehow i doubt there will be anyone getting uber rich off this

you can spin conspiracy theroies all you want, but can you truly deny that if the union HAD gone with the deal (that they are now asking for) Hostess would have stayed open?
yes they are struggling, most businesses are in this economy. yes they had bad debt due to management fuck ups, again most companies have them at some point.

i am not saying Hostess is blameless (god i feel like a broken record) but they are not alone in the blame
a union is supposed to look after its members, after all that is why you pay dues
if i was part of a union, i would have urged the leadership to take the deal so i could still have a job. or better yet not joined a union in the first place cause when i have, they have just taken money and not done much for me. i have honestly been treated better by non-union workplaces than at union ones