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[bldavis]

Again, capitalism, not unions, is the problem. Unions exist because capitalism does, in an attempt (if a futile one) to give the workers some protection.

It was purely on Hostess, because the profits for the multi-gazillionaire CEO's and shareholders of Hostess are more important than the table scraps the employees get, in a capitalist system. Unions have little relevance here in the big picture of things, because they too, like governments, are subservient to the interests of private capital.

You don't get rid of the unions or the welfare state, you get rid of the material conditions that cause and necessitate them in the first place: capitalism. Much in the same way you don't try to cure cancer with pain killers.

where did i say get rid of unions?
and where did i say capitalism had no part in this?
in fact i stated it was due in part to capitalism and the changing economy.

but in this case it WAS the union that was stubborn and did not accept the plan that would keep jobs.
and now that the plant is closed, the union wants the deal.

you can defend the union all you want, but no matter what you say, nothing can change the fact that in this case, it is the union that is at fault. not completely, but they are far from blameless.
it was a 8% pay cut. if you make $30.00/hr it would cut you to $27.60/hr
sounds HORRIBLE doesnt it?
how does unemployment sound?
there was also a 20% increase in benefits cost. would you rather that or the 100%+ that you now have to pay if you were an employee?

right, i forgot, the strike was all due to capitalism and nothing to do with the union not accepting a deal that would keep 18k+ jobs for union members, as well as the other union employees, non union employees, as well as all of their suppliers that may need to cut back now.