11-10-2012, 12:06 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-10-2012, 12:12 AM by FireIceTalon.)
(11-09-2012, 10:41 PM)Jester Wrote: I'm pretty sure you either have to throw the "human nature doesn't exist, it's all tabula rasa" argument overboard, or you have to accept the argument that values are entirely mutable to the social situation. Now, even if you accept the 2nd argument, there's no reason to necessarily accept that jealousy will disappear with a socialist arrangement of society. But you seem to have high hopes.
If you're wondering how to define "real love," then that's a pretty good sign it isn't an objective thing.
-Jester
The human nature ordeal is something I gave a bit of thought to some months back. I wouldn't go as far to say that human nature doesn't exist at all, so much as I would say it works much differently than most people think of it. Most people think it is some biological or fixed innate concept, that we are a certain way no matter what - but this would imply that we aren't a very adaptable species, when we in fact are. Human nature is a complex and dynamic process that changes as society changes, whether its economically, socially, technologically, or changes in natural conditions. A man who lives in the city is going to have very different behaviors, thoughts, and consciousness than one who lives on a remote island. And a feudal slave has a very different nature than a worker in capitalist society.
In our society, a lot of people think that a polyamorous relationship can't possibly have true love between the partners, but why can't it? Even though I personally prefer a monogamous relationship I see no reason why individuals in a polyamorous relationship cannot love one another as a monogamous couple can. Or that an unmarried couple loves one another any less than a married one. I don't think socialism will eliminate things like jealousy, but that is hardly our goal anyway lol - any reasonable socialist will admit that even our society can never be 100% perfect, because people aren't perfect. They are, however, very very much a product and reflection of the society and environment they are born into. You have to change society before you can get people to change.
If anything, I think marriage in our current society is pretty destructive to relationships and family units.
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)
"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)