(11-09-2012, 02:16 PM)ShadowHM Wrote: Your claims above about hammers are missing an important nuance - choice.
Religious people can believe in "traditional marriage" all they like as long as they don't try to decide for others what kind of marriage is acceptable. And if they do try to decide for others, then they are anti-gay bigots.
People can be against abortions and therefore choose not to have one as long as they don't try to decide for others what choice is available. And if they do try to decide for others, then they are against women's rights.
And they are wielding a hammer to make it so.
And what we see then is that it is not about abortion or same sex marriage; religious people like to use religion to have power same as other people use money for example. It is not about the act of abortion, it is about being able to say to someone else, that they should not have one.
(11-09-2012, 02:46 PM)kandrathe Wrote: [/b].I break it down to harms. No harm, no foul.
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In this particular case maybe. But abortion is one in a whole line of things the christians don't and didn't want us to do.
Rights for people who are not white? Rights for gay people? Rights for communists? Rights for Jews? Rights for people who think the earth isn't flat? Rights for people who believe in other Gods?
It is not about harm to an unborn fetus of 6 weeks......because they cannot know if it is harmed or not because they don't care for scientific evidence. They just use this argument in this particular case.
(Probably the reason why you only quoted that one and not the one about gay rights).
It is all about fear of losing grip on society (which is a pretty human feeling if you live your life based on ideologies that don't contain much truth and evidence).