10-29-2012, 10:51 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-29-2012, 11:23 PM by FireIceTalon.)
(10-29-2012, 10:43 PM)Jester Wrote:(10-29-2012, 10:32 PM)FireIceTalon Wrote: 'primitive communism' was not without its problems by any means. When you live in nature, you have to deal with it. But the problems of nature are a very different thing altogether from being controlled by a small elite (protected and legitimized by a powerful State) that parasitically lives off your labor. Modern communism will be vastly superior to both primitive communism and capitalism in every way. The point is, it is PERFECTLY POSSIBLE for humans to live in a classless/stateless and moneyless society, because it was done before, and for a very extensive period of time. There is no reason to believe it cannot be done now, and such a society would be all the better considering 'primitive communism' lacked the technology, science, and resources we have today.
Perhaps you didn't read my post.
If I may reiterate, does it disturb your analysis at all that this "fact" of "primitive communism" is is not based on any actual evidence of early holocene life, but rather on the primitivist fantasies of a handful of 19th century scholars?
-Jester
So there were markets, commodities, money, a State, and classes during the holocene? Is this what you are saying? If so, do you have evidence to support this? Because an objective look at the social relationships answers that question with an solid "no".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_c..._societies
And this isn't just the claim of a handful of 19th century scholars - a prominent 20th century anthropologist agrees also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Mead
Class societies are estimated to have began sometime shortly after the Agricultural Revolution (roughly 10,000 years ago). This is only about 10% of our time on this planet (and if you include Archaic humans, it is less than that).
Historical stages of human development and the social relationships within them
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)