09-09-2012, 08:54 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-09-2012, 09:35 PM by FireIceTalon.)
Hello, comrade Meat.
Well, to answer your first question yes, I do believe in Eye for an eye - and that is more of a personal thing than it is a political one, in my case. That being said, I generally try to avoid such circumstances to begin with. I will try not to take someone else's eye out first, if I can help it (sometimes I do, but hey, no one is perfect, right?). But one of my strongest values is justice (Tyreal would be proud!), and if I see something that is unjust going down, be it to me personally or someone else, I feel compelled to step in. Just how I am. I realize that this can lead to conflict but sometimes you have to fight fire with fire, ya know? But believe it or not, I really do not care for personal confrontation, and when it does happen, I usually find it regrettable. I am not some drunk or psychologically disturbed wack job that is a magnet for trouble or lives on the fringes of society, I am actually a pretty normal and civil human being, who happens to have very radical and eccentric views of our world and our history.
If one is civil with me, I will act the same in return. If one disagrees with my views, fine, but debate my views and leave me out of it personally. The minute you attack me personally, this changes the whole course of the conversation, but most of the time I will just ad hominem you back once then ignore you from there on out. Do I have a very strong personality? Yep, and I am the first to admit it. Am I very dogmatic in my politics? Very often so. But I think in general I am pretty good about limiting my attacks to my opponents views, and not my opponents themselves. Even in that thread last week, you didn't see me telling Ashock that he was mentally deranged and needed therapy even though I dont agree with anything he ever says regarding politics, nor did you see me comparing anyone to the Norway killer no matter how much I may despise their political views. And in this thread, I didn't call out DeeBye ever personally (telling him to fuck off in response is NOT a personal attack, and had the situation been reversed, I'd have expected the same thing), even after he said I basically have no intelligence (which is no bearing on the topic and is completely subjective in nature, not to mention downright incorrect).
And yes, I do think there is a very strong bias against me here, because of my extremely radical and revolutionary views - and it just mirrors our political culture in this country: if one is a Communist, Socialist, or any type of radical leftist, they automatically are discredited and don't have anything of merit to be considered in any political or sociological discussion within the context of the two-party system - they are just some crazy person whose thoughts are grounded in being a blood-soaked and iron fisted tyrant. Sigh. We have been ostracized, stereotyped, and misconstrued for so long now comrade, that sometimes I can't help but be dogmatic and even resentful towards those who propagate these social norms. And I think some people here think I don't even really hold these views, and that I say this stuff just to troll
"So and so attacked FIT first, FIT responded in kind, but I don't like FIT anyways because he's a radical and I hate his politics so only his post gets censored". That is how I see it, mate. And yes, it does make me resentful and more aggressive in my views, and how I express them.
In short (and this is to everyone here), treat me with respect, and I will do the same for you (even if discussions become a bit heated at times, this is fine, that is just the nature of politics!), even if we cannot come to an agreement in our views, which is likely as I realize my views are exorbitantly radical and outside the norm of our political culture.
Well, to answer your first question yes, I do believe in Eye for an eye - and that is more of a personal thing than it is a political one, in my case. That being said, I generally try to avoid such circumstances to begin with. I will try not to take someone else's eye out first, if I can help it (sometimes I do, but hey, no one is perfect, right?). But one of my strongest values is justice (Tyreal would be proud!), and if I see something that is unjust going down, be it to me personally or someone else, I feel compelled to step in. Just how I am. I realize that this can lead to conflict but sometimes you have to fight fire with fire, ya know? But believe it or not, I really do not care for personal confrontation, and when it does happen, I usually find it regrettable. I am not some drunk or psychologically disturbed wack job that is a magnet for trouble or lives on the fringes of society, I am actually a pretty normal and civil human being, who happens to have very radical and eccentric views of our world and our history.
If one is civil with me, I will act the same in return. If one disagrees with my views, fine, but debate my views and leave me out of it personally. The minute you attack me personally, this changes the whole course of the conversation, but most of the time I will just ad hominem you back once then ignore you from there on out. Do I have a very strong personality? Yep, and I am the first to admit it. Am I very dogmatic in my politics? Very often so. But I think in general I am pretty good about limiting my attacks to my opponents views, and not my opponents themselves. Even in that thread last week, you didn't see me telling Ashock that he was mentally deranged and needed therapy even though I dont agree with anything he ever says regarding politics, nor did you see me comparing anyone to the Norway killer no matter how much I may despise their political views. And in this thread, I didn't call out DeeBye ever personally (telling him to fuck off in response is NOT a personal attack, and had the situation been reversed, I'd have expected the same thing), even after he said I basically have no intelligence (which is no bearing on the topic and is completely subjective in nature, not to mention downright incorrect).
And yes, I do think there is a very strong bias against me here, because of my extremely radical and revolutionary views - and it just mirrors our political culture in this country: if one is a Communist, Socialist, or any type of radical leftist, they automatically are discredited and don't have anything of merit to be considered in any political or sociological discussion within the context of the two-party system - they are just some crazy person whose thoughts are grounded in being a blood-soaked and iron fisted tyrant. Sigh. We have been ostracized, stereotyped, and misconstrued for so long now comrade, that sometimes I can't help but be dogmatic and even resentful towards those who propagate these social norms. And I think some people here think I don't even really hold these views, and that I say this stuff just to troll
"So and so attacked FIT first, FIT responded in kind, but I don't like FIT anyways because he's a radical and I hate his politics so only his post gets censored". That is how I see it, mate. And yes, it does make me resentful and more aggressive in my views, and how I express them.In short (and this is to everyone here), treat me with respect, and I will do the same for you (even if discussions become a bit heated at times, this is fine, that is just the nature of politics!), even if we cannot come to an agreement in our views, which is likely as I realize my views are exorbitantly radical and outside the norm of our political culture.
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (on capitalist laws and institutions)
"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (on capitalist laws and institutions)