(08-23-2012, 03:01 PM)Gnollguy Wrote:(08-23-2012, 01:35 PM)eppie Wrote: You know, the type that when they go running (or jogging as the call it) in a somewhat 'natural' area wears earplugs to listen to their ipod insetad of to the birds.
Hey now, don't stereotype all those people. I run with while listening to audio books, because I've found that is what works the best for me to stay motivated and run farther/faster which give me more health benefits. I appreciate the visuals of running outdoors more than running indoors and even with headphones I can still here a lot of nature sounds. But since I'm running for exercise I'm generally not going to stop because of seeing or hearing something, I mean I stop if someone needs help, and stuff like that or if something is really bizzare, but that almost never happens. Without the audio from the player I simply would not run as much. Running with other people works because the conversation helps (yes you should be able to have a conversation while running unless you are doing speed/sprint work). I also go for walks/hikes and I don't wear headphones on those because I have the time to listen, look, and appreciate.
Thank you for proving false yet another of my own made up stereotypes.
But, I would like to change it then for hammerskjolds example about leaf blower users.
(08-23-2012, 09:43 PM)kandrathe Wrote: My concern was more that people factor in the costs (in burnt oil) in smelting the tower, turbine, etc. then transporting to the prairie. If the economics are there, without government subsidies, then I'm all for it. If the government needs to "promote" the operation to make it viable, then it's not viable. I understand government helping with the capitalization, and implementation phase. That part requires zoning, permits, and investment. What doesn't make sense is ongoing funding for operations, for either solar or wind generation (or coal, oil or natural gas either).
Kandrathe, the economics are fine. Subsidies are at the moment mainly used to sponsor the big energy and engineering companies.....because of course otherwise they would never think about changing teams.....wind turbines make money but not as much as just simply pumping up oil.
Again a story here in NL. There is a cooperation in which private parties can invest money. The cooperation has bought at the moment already 5 windmills (different sizes). Investments give you a share of the EL profit.....the last 5 years the returns are between 5 and 6 %.....good luck finding a bank that can do that for you.