Dems and GOP are fun to bash, but so are Libertarians...
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(08-05-2012, 12:40 AM)RedRadical Wrote: It pokes fun at Libertarians (which is most of them) who swear Capitalism can save everything and everyone while being 'left' on social issues, to make it look like they appeal to both sides of the isle but the fact of the matter is they are very much a right winged party like the other two, that gives the ILLUSION to appeal to the left (though ironically there is no true 'leftist' party in the USA currently that has any meaningful political power).

Well, that can be a valid interpretation. If you want to go look at a worldwide view, then yes, American politics tends to yield to the "right" for any party. "Democrat" would still be considered fairly rightish. But this comes down to the lack of variety and single mindedness, and people are waking up to said issues. Knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Quote:Libertarians like Ron Paul always claim to be anti-war, but Capitalism by its very nature will always lead to war, and in fact, IT arguably NEEDS war. War is, afterall, big business - for oil and steel corporations, bankers, and politicians that are in kahootz with said corporations - imperialism and global hegemony come with the territory. It's just funny that Libertarians preach so much about free, unbridled Capitalism (as if there is a difference between that and so-called 'crony' capitalism, lmao - ALL capitalism is crony!), but want the USA to withdraw from policing the world - you cannot have it both ways - unless you are Somalia of course, which needs no commenting on.

War is profitable? Hard to say that when it's the core source of money leaking out of the country. People always love to refer to World War II and that great burst of patriotism and industrial era wars, but the business of war, while profitable to some, isn't really that beautiful on the profit margins. When you had conscripts to draft and toss into the fray, and the nature of the factory style economy, then yes, you could say there were many who could provide a war and the profit.

However, we just need to look at Vietnam and beyond (You think this war would work if they started conscripting today?) and see that war tends to be pretty damned wasteful and its not that easy to just toss in a war and watch the profits come in.

Nah, war isn't profitable. It's an excellent diversionary tool for politicians still; I'll give you that.

Oil, you ask? Well, it was certainly really profitable for some people. But that's rather specific.

And what does this have to do with the US policing the world? The modern means of exploitation do not have to require force. It's in fact, a pretty messy way. A better way is to by law, force the limitation of a service or product that is vital to be extremely limited and force people to buy them at the highest prices of which they can't afford and thus dependent on it. You know, like, the world's largest drug cartel the health care industry.

Quote:And for a party that claims to be leftist on social issues, they want to uphold an oppressive and volatile economic system that curtails democracy - both politically and socially - for historically marginalized groups of people (namely minorities, gays/lesbians, women, the poor, etc). Thus the purpose is defeated, but trying to explain that to them is like pounding your head against a brick wall.

That hasn't much do to with capitalism. It does not require capitalism to abuse coercion and force. Capitalism is merely a means and tool of the society but if the underlying society sees it fit to marginalize those that are different from them, then it becomes a pretty efficient way. But that's more of a reflection of the problem, and not the cause.

Quote:So all the preaching they do about "freedom and self-determination" in system that is a plutocracy is null. Don't believe me? Go read their platform on their official website - they want virtually almost EVERYTHING (except the police force, military, and infrastructure) to be privatized.

So what's wrong with that, in and of itself? The government isn't always the best provider of certain services.

Quote:Thankfully, there are a few people (like myself) who know better.

No.

I'm sure everyone that walks out of their first class of a social science in college thinks of that, but unfortunately, this in itself is its own chains. You are still in the well with the rest of us, and looking down on the rest of us who are also stuck on it is counterproductive.

Feel free to question the world around you, feel free to be disappointed in those that won't listen to you, but never, ever, consider yourself some part of an exclusive group of wisdom. That just never leads to anything good and will keep you from finding out the truth just from stagnation. And that, as I've mentioned above, is exactly what certain folks want. We already have a political system which both sides delves in absolutes, already. Everyone knows better, while those of privilege and power are just laughing their ass off as the country burns.

Change only happens with unity. Someone, of which you are most likely a huge fan of, wrote that as the closer to their book.
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RE: Dems and GOP are fun to bash, but so are Libertarians... - by Archon_Wing - 08-06-2012, 03:47 AM

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