06-21-2012, 03:45 AM
It can be more than just the attributes; the whole story can conspire to add to the difficulty.
I fought a champ pack before with my Demon Hunter. Three Unburied, Mortar/Vortex/Extra Health/(forgot the fourth). It was in a small room just after the cleaver traps in the Halls of Agony. Because of the Cleaver traps, and the Vortex, kiting was dramatically more difficult than normal, and Mortar is always super nasty in enclosed areas. In addition, Unburied have so much health to begin with that Extra Health makes them kind of tedious. I brought them down to about 1/3 life before I ran out of Discipline, which equals death for a Demon Hunter. I tried again with a slightly different plan, but same result. In the end, I decided there was no chance I could beat them without invoking the Out of Time debuff, so quit the game and reloaded. If I had faced those attributes on, say, Fallen in a wide open area, I have no doubt I could do it in no time without any difficulty.
Demon Hunters (probably Wizards too) have similar situations with Elite Scavenger packs, under any condition. They cannot be kited (because of the Blizzard's approach to hitboxes), swarm you and attack extremely fast. Add just about any attribute and you have an unwinnable battle. I am sure we have all had a Waller drop a wall on us, unable to move at all, followed by a Plague/Desecrator pit, then multiple Arcane beams move in on you while you cannot move. That is one Demon Hunters can handle, but it probably sucks for the rest of you
I read a Blue post on the forum earlier where they commented that Blizzard considers it acceptable that we have to park/restart games because an Elite was impossible. Essentially, the post was `get better gear and learn to play.' Pretty odd approach to such a common complaint. Then again, they did not get rid of the hated Invulnerable Minions attribute, which still inspires me to auto-quit the game.
I fought a champ pack before with my Demon Hunter. Three Unburied, Mortar/Vortex/Extra Health/(forgot the fourth). It was in a small room just after the cleaver traps in the Halls of Agony. Because of the Cleaver traps, and the Vortex, kiting was dramatically more difficult than normal, and Mortar is always super nasty in enclosed areas. In addition, Unburied have so much health to begin with that Extra Health makes them kind of tedious. I brought them down to about 1/3 life before I ran out of Discipline, which equals death for a Demon Hunter. I tried again with a slightly different plan, but same result. In the end, I decided there was no chance I could beat them without invoking the Out of Time debuff, so quit the game and reloaded. If I had faced those attributes on, say, Fallen in a wide open area, I have no doubt I could do it in no time without any difficulty.
Demon Hunters (probably Wizards too) have similar situations with Elite Scavenger packs, under any condition. They cannot be kited (because of the Blizzard's approach to hitboxes), swarm you and attack extremely fast. Add just about any attribute and you have an unwinnable battle. I am sure we have all had a Waller drop a wall on us, unable to move at all, followed by a Plague/Desecrator pit, then multiple Arcane beams move in on you while you cannot move. That is one Demon Hunters can handle, but it probably sucks for the rest of you
I read a Blue post on the forum earlier where they commented that Blizzard considers it acceptable that we have to park/restart games because an Elite was impossible. Essentially, the post was `get better gear and learn to play.' Pretty odd approach to such a common complaint. Then again, they did not get rid of the hated Invulnerable Minions attribute, which still inspires me to auto-quit the game.
May the wind pick up your heels and your sword strike true.