I'm confused about the American Republican party
(03-28-2012, 07:31 PM)Taem Wrote:
(03-28-2012, 02:38 PM)eppie Wrote:
(03-28-2012, 12:34 AM)Taem Wrote: Do you really not know how important slavery was to working Americans running cotton and agriculture farms? The price of having to pay laborers as opposed to free labor was huge blow to... damn, I don't even know why I have to explain something so obvious.

You are kidding right?

I'm not purporting the advent or profession of the slavery trade here, merely stating a fact about the effects of removing slavery from a country whose income was dependent upon slaves [at the time]. This isn't a joke, and it was a reality of the times. In the context I was discussing it in regards to political parties of the times and those effected, it was consistent with the example I communicated to FireIceTalon. Please, don't try applying this logic to today's standards, because it is wrong, and I wholly find slavery and exploitation of human beings to be disgusting and vile, but the reality that it [was] done in the past for profit of the individual working-man and/or corporations remains and indisputable fact. I hope that clears things up for you.

Right, but why doesn't this apply to Capitalism? Sure, its not direct slavery, and it IS an improvement over a feudal/slave system. Marx himself said Capitalism was a progression in society compared to all prior systems. But nevertheless Capitalism IS an exploitative system economically, that has proven to have very destructive political, social, cultural, and environmental consequences as well as economic. One doesn't even have to be a Communist to hold this opinion - the existing material conditions of Capitalism through the years speak for itself. It is a class antagonist system like all systems before it, except that it is simplified in comparison.

I just refuse to believe that this system, which we are told from a young age is the best possible system for humanity, really is the best system. We are told by leadership and the media that this is the best we can do, and to just blindly accept it without critically analyzing it. To believe this system is the end all be all for humanity is not only intellectually dishonest, but also overly deterministic, and most likely, just simply wrong. Nothing lasts forever, and I see no reason to believe Capitalism as being an exception to this. One thing is for sure, if this system does last forever, dont expect society to progress, and for us to reach our true 'species being'. In other words, a Socialist society might not be inevitable, but it is necessary if we want fundamental change, which starts economically and socially - not politically. America's biggest deficit isn't fiscal - it is intellectual !
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RE: I'm confused about the American Republican party - by FireIceTalon - 03-29-2012, 07:20 AM

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