08-10-2011, 07:37 AM
[quote='kandrathe' pid='188471' dateline='1312910307']
I don't know that solar panels on everyone's roof is the correct answer. I've done the math for my home, and it is not cost effective. It would cost me more money to keep my home outfitted with solar panels, than I would ever get back in savings from energy costs. [quote]
No, kandrathe, as I CLEARLY stated in my previous post I think the world can only be saved when everybody in Minnesota will start using solar panels. I even want to go further and find the US army needs to force all you minnesoteanians at gunpoint to install solar panels......today!!!!
(you didn't answer/react on my statement, you reacted on a statement I didn't make.....I used solar panels as an example of subsidizing something without too much harm)
[quote='kandrathe' pid='188471' dateline='1312910307']
I'm just realistic to the idea that unless people SEE it or be harmed by it they won't change their behavior.
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And I am realistic enough to see that that will never happen, and so I find that governments need to step in.
How do we see, or understand enough to care, that eg they are completely emptying the south china sea from everyhting living?
I mean people(roughly 50% of non experts) don't believe that the climate is changing. I don't want to get into a discussion about the greenhouse effect but is sure that public opinion on this is not given in my knowledge and intelligence but only by emotions.
People will only see the consequences of human impact if they e.g. build a road in your backyard, or if someone spills a truckload of oil in a small lake.
Even if people could see the impact of their behaviour (say with the case of CO2.....which you cannot see) most of them would not have the capacity to appreciate and understand it.
I don't know that solar panels on everyone's roof is the correct answer. I've done the math for my home, and it is not cost effective. It would cost me more money to keep my home outfitted with solar panels, than I would ever get back in savings from energy costs. [quote]
No, kandrathe, as I CLEARLY stated in my previous post I think the world can only be saved when everybody in Minnesota will start using solar panels. I even want to go further and find the US army needs to force all you minnesoteanians at gunpoint to install solar panels......today!!!!
(you didn't answer/react on my statement, you reacted on a statement I didn't make.....I used solar panels as an example of subsidizing something without too much harm)
[quote='kandrathe' pid='188471' dateline='1312910307']
I'm just realistic to the idea that unless people SEE it or be harmed by it they won't change their behavior.
[/quote]
And I am realistic enough to see that that will never happen, and so I find that governments need to step in.
How do we see, or understand enough to care, that eg they are completely emptying the south china sea from everyhting living?
I mean people(roughly 50% of non experts) don't believe that the climate is changing. I don't want to get into a discussion about the greenhouse effect but is sure that public opinion on this is not given in my knowledge and intelligence but only by emotions.
People will only see the consequences of human impact if they e.g. build a road in your backyard, or if someone spills a truckload of oil in a small lake.
Even if people could see the impact of their behaviour (say with the case of CO2.....which you cannot see) most of them would not have the capacity to appreciate and understand it.