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[kandrathe]

You both claim not to believe in the extremes, then you both assault the opponents' position with an extremist label.

Are you saying that eppie and I agree in some squishy middle ground?

And neither of you is basing his argument on the behavior of real people in the real world.

I am. Hence, my reference to the Masai and the cows.

Seriously, the argument to me seems to be that our system has failed because there are people suffering. Especially when you export our notions of adequate to other nations, namely in SE Asia, or sub-Saharan Africa.

Clearly, the UNESCO, UNICEF, WHO, UNetc, have failed to solve the world "poverty" problem. I'm not sure what you do about inequity in that the Saudi's happen to have been sitting on the bulk of the world oil supply, while Belize has some pretty tourist attractions. Although, many nations do just fine without an abundance of exploitable natural resources. In other places, the resources become the fuel for endless waves of bloody revolution.

In general, I think most impoverishment is due to political and economic strife disrupting the normal means by which a family lives.