Moved from D1 forum

[Kevin]

We all can write better than we post on a forum, because here grammar and typos arent so important as on a research paper that we have to fine-tune because our grade, and thus our future, depends on it I dont take the time out here to fine tune my posts so they are perfect, and I do not think anyone should really be expected to so long as their points are reasonably understood and conveyed, which mine are (whether you agree with them or not is beside the point).

My common sense arguments carry weight because they have historical evidence to back them up. For example, you guys think everyone has equal opportunity for success, when historical evidence AND statistics show that various groups have been marginalized in society, such as African Americans, Latinos, women, gays, and the poor, among others. Thus, your version of common sense, is proven to be false. In general I try not to rely too much on anecdotal evidence because our personal experiences can displace us from reality and the overall big picture.

If you dont find my discussions, or "preaching" as you so eloquently labeled them, interesting, no one is forcing you to read them

You're right and I haven't actually read all of them, in part because your grammar and style has gotten so bad in some of them that it didn't seem like you were taking them seriously so why should I?

I also have not seen ANYONE argue that everyone has equal starting conditions. In fact if you like I can point out several other threads on this board where people in this thread discuss those issues, at some great length. YOU are making the ASSUMPTION, that since we don't just fawn over your preaching, that we believe this.

Yes, women are still socially repressed, yes there are communities that are mostly ethnically minorities, but there are communities that are predominately caucasian as well, that have been economically repressed and that there are more barriers/hurdles for these people. That has as much or more to do with political and social systems than economic systems. You are trying to make the claim that it is ALL because of capitalism. You have not made a single argument, and neither has Marx, that this is true.

You helpfully pointed out examples of capitalistic countries (Sweden and Germany) that have come up with other solutions for some of these issues and that I agree are doing better in many ways.

You have also summarily dismissed what has happened when people have tried a practical application of your wonderful system. I agree that it hasn't been implemented correctly, and as I've touched on, that is because human nature, since people are not black and white, means it probably never can be.

I have proposed ideas for changes to our current system, because it has worked better than anything else so far. The US makes changes all the time to try and make it better, and until very recently, the average person has had it better than their parents, which is a good indicator of progress. In fact your own examples of Sweden and Germany (yes you had others) show how changing TO capitalism can make things better and yes they very well may show ways that the US could benefit from as well. Of course the historical examples of countries that tried to be Marxist have all failed.

Good ideas aren't always practical ideas.