Danes feel Obama is greater than Jesus

[kandrathe]

First, removing everyone who isn't Jesus from Christianity is quite the surgery. While he is obviously the central figure, he is far from the only one that Christians acknowledge as holy authority. The Bible isn't just the four gospels.

Why do you keep bringing this back to the Bible? Jesus Christ! Christians are about Christ! So, it was him, not Moses, or Noah, or Abraham, or David, or Joshua, or Paul, or Peter, or John the Baptist, or John the Apostle, or John the one who wrote Revelations. If we were talking about Buddhism, we'd look at the life and morality of Buddha, right?

If I did that, they'd toss me in a rubber room and pump me full of Xanax.

You mean they HAVEN'T??? :lol:

However, all of this is quite beside the point - your claim, the one I am contesting, is that the beliefs of Mohammed are not genuine, that they are a contrivance.

I've shown you what I've read, and I've shown you what an ex-muslim friend of mine suggested. I'm working with a bunch of albeit (biased by your standards I sure) Christian and Jewish Phds. who are translating the Dead Sea Scrolls, among other historical and archeological work in the middle east. I'm studying Hebrew, and Aramaic with some friends at the university where I work casually a couple times a week, and my opinion has been tempered by what I've learned over many years (as well as being in harmony with those experts I work and study with). Maybe, they are not all so politically correct as your Cambridge compatriots ( at least in safe private conversations).

Again, you've set up an impossible acid test for me to try to convince you what happened in the mind of a mad man over 14 centuries ago. I say, read for yourself, or we are done discussing it. You go ahead and believe that Mohammad was not using the mish-mash of proto-Christian, Gnostic, and Judaic flotsam in Arabia, and mixing in his own justification for theft, rape, and murder justified by God. You can. It's ok with me. I can't force the understanding into your brain. You will need to go get it, or not.

It would be equally unfair and difficult for me to expect you to convince me that Mohammad was sincere in his delusions and beliefs. I think this is just one of those cases where we are equally unwilling to spend the 80 hours of research to try to win an point on the LL off topic board, and will probably just need to leave it as an unanswered proposition. I say he was insincere, you think he was sincere. Ok?