Wow, I thought this kind of thing was done away with years ago

[kandrathe]

Sorry, I read for where it was supposed to be or. Hate speech can get you put to trial, if it can get you convicted I am not sure. Geert Wilders wants however to make speeches from imams (which he calls hate speeches) illegal...so I don't see the problem with blaming him of the same.

And don't forget that up till now only religious groups are protected by the law from 'insulting' in Holland, and that is absurd.....in that I agree with Wilders......of course I wouldn't use hate speech to talk about that....and Wilders does. I just don't believe allah or god exists.....I think Wilders also doesn't but he goes on to insult these deities...which is stupid if you don't even believe in them, this means you just do it to hurt people.

I really don't care what his reason is, nor should it matter. I want him to have the right to insult the Christians, French, Jews, Scandinavians, or the Muslims. I want him to have the freedom to say or insult whomever he pleases. Also, these Imams should also have the freedom to say whatever they like, and as long as they are not directly inciting violence we should ignore it. If we take their rights from them, we begin to police peoples thoughts. And then, we all lose. And saying that he wants to take away the rights from Islamic people should also not matter. We ignore him too.

Here's the catch, right. If Geert or some Imam says, "You should go blow up that building." And, then someone does it, then they may be considered to be an accomplice, or at least partially liable for inciting violence. But, there is a difference between saying that Islam is akin to Nazism, and calling for violence to be committed against persons or property. I'm not sure about there, but here it is illegal to make terrorist threats, or to incite violence.

It has been in the news here as well, where some talking head has suggested that we'd be better off if Bush, or Obama, or someone else were assassinated. I think this is borderline on free speech. But, it probably should slide unless someone actually follows through on the suggestion, and then that talking head should probably be held partially liable for inciting violence.