Icecrown Citadel Raid Info

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Everything at the Wrathgate was incinerated, only Arthas and Putricence were able to not be burned to a crisp (Arthas re-entering Icecrown Citadel and Putricence returning to the Undercity).

Right, what I'm saying is, The LK took StY's soul before that happened. He is not shown doing the same to Bolvar. He killed StY and then promptly took his soul. In the Vision in the YS Brain Room, you definitely See Saurfang standing there while Arthas tortures the Immolated Champion. The Immolated champion isn't on fire in the vision, and when looked at in a model viewer it looks like Arthas was able to snatch him up, while the Turned champion looks like an orc in Tier8 Death Knight Armor.

The Lich King says to the Immolated champion he is torturing, "I will break you... as I broke... him" Referring to the turned champion, the orc. Further looking at the model viewer will reveal that the skin of the orc is Mag'har Brown, just like Saurfang.

The Immolated Champion is wearing Bolvar's Pants.

If you look at the bug that allowed people of the same race of the server's scarab lord to understand draconic You will find that the conversation went like this:

There is a dialogue between Korialstrasz and Alexstrasza after the Wrathgate event. It goes as follows:
Korialstrasz says: My Queen, do they know?
Alexstrasza the Life-Binder says: No, my beloved.
Alexstrasza the Life-Binder says: [Draconic] Ashj zila gul kirasath lok ante il lok buras danashj Gul gul
Korialstrasz nods.
Korialstrasz says: They will not.
Alexstrasza whispers: Come to me, <name>

The line of text reads:

Alexstrasza: [Draconic] They must not discover the fate of the young paladin. Not yet.

This again points to Arthas somehow getting his grimy hands on Bolvar.

Blizzard has stated that Arthas will die, but the Lich King will survive. Remember, the Lich King is the spirit of Nerzul and it's pretty hard to outright destroy a spirit.

You are going to have to show me where they said that, because ever since Blizzcon, they have been singing a very very different tune. I have read a lot, and there is no Arthas. There is no Ner'zhul. There is only the Lich King. I haven't seen anything where they say that LK gets to survive or that we wont be successful in squashing him. I've actually seen plenty of Blue Posts / interviews / quotes from BLizzcon saying that even though The LK dies, it isn't the end of the game. They are just putting this to bed at the end of ICC. The Scourge portion of WoW will be done.

They have been pretty adamant through Blizzcon, Blue Posts, and interviews that this will be over (from a lore standpoint) when Cataclysm goes live. There has even been vague posts that hint at EPL and WPL being part of the zones that take on a new persona/styling in Cataclysm due to the changes in Lore, while other Blue posts specifically state that the scourge is the kind of thing that even after you destroy the leader, it wont fall over like a house of cards. I take the second comment to mean that they might not redesign the zones.