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[kandrathe]

I wrote 'fully' meaning that I favour market economy, but with some changes (and less financial liberties compared to now)

Again, if we can agree that one purpose of government is the protection of property, then a liberal free market is the best way to guarantee liberty. Protection of property can mean that acid rain doesn't kill my trees, or pollute my backyard pond. It can also mean that fraud, and false advertising is prohibited. It can also mean that products labels contain accurate nutrition and ingredient lists, or that detrimental ingredient are proscribed.

Yeah right. If you would have left out governments I would agree. In our governments there are many people who are in it for themselves.....these people would behave exactly the same in a libertarian society, likely doing far more damage than they do now..

Propagandists are using coercion to get power, while the government doesn't need to coerce anyone to use power.

Kandrathe, you are so 2004.

Some days I might be 1004. Gore is a twit, and will always be a twit. I'm not about to support his bid at becoming a billionaire by selling eco-indulgences.

No better let's just keep selling petrol for ridiculously low prices. Anyway, the change in products made by the car industry is market based. People buy a Prius because they want to, not because they have to.

Or, if it's heavily subsidized by the government incentives and tax breaks. Gas prices in the US are artificially determined by starting wars in the middle east, making deals with erstwhile allies and by limiting domestic energy production.

Almost nobody would help cleaning if it costs them. So my opinion stands, governments should push for cleaning the planet......and that is already difficult enough....if you have people like Bush, Blair, Berlusconi and Balkenende nothing will happen.....but still, I also don't think China and India would listen to a consumer organisation.

I don't understand your logic. Let me give you an example to illustrate. Your neighbor takes a walk everyday and tosses a banana peel onto your lawn. Each day a police officer comes by an hour later and writes you a $50 fine for having trash on your lawn. Do you 1) pay the fine everyday, 2) go pick up the banana peel every day, or 3) talk to your neighbor?

It's a simple theory. We hold each other accountable for our actions. We become responsible citizens, and hold each other accountable for our own actions. I know this is a hard concept for socialists to understand.

Because as the rules work now, the polluter pays the fine everyday since the fine is much less than they earn and it becomes a business cost. The socialists want us all to go out and pick up the banana peel because they don't want to hold anyone accountable for their own mess, or better yet, they want to use it as an opportunity to redistribute wealth again (whether or not there is any correlation between that persons wealth and pollution).

I vote for option 3. And if that doesn't work, then talk in a louder voice.