Civil War, Part II
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Quote:McCain was limited in his fund raising efforts by taking public campaign finance money, which both candidates agreed to do, which then candidate Obama reneged upon because he would be able to raise much more when not encumbered by Campaign Finance Reform laws. (e.g. The Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 (BCRA, McCain–Feingold Act)
Uh hunh. And yet, if millions of people had decided to give him anywhere from a handful of bucks to a few hundred dollars, as they did with Obama, he could have just followed Obama's lead and turned down federal funding himself. Actually, he even tried, despite the fact that it would have been illegal, just as he was openly accusing Obama of being a rat. But it still doesn't alter the basic statistics of the donations: Obama got huge chunks of his money from under-$200 donations, and repeat donors who gave under $1000 total. McCain got the vast majority of his money from bundlers, plus federal funds. You can try to explain it all away, but there's just too much of it. Obama made gigantic tons of money from a very wide base of very ordinary people, in complete contradiction of your first statement, that this is impossible. Look at the size and enthusiasm of his rallies, the massive volunteer base that worked his ground game. This is not implausible at all.

Your argument was that I am believing a fairy tale; now that the evidence you yourself provided contradicts your point, you've changed it to "Obama broke his promise!" which is true, but not at all the same issue.

Quote:My animus comes from my proximity to Chicago. I have very good friends who've lived their entire lives there, and I do quite a bit of business there.
The geographical argument doesn't go very far. Chicago is hardly *that* bad, that any politician who's ever lived there at all is prima facie unfit to be President. At the very least, that would be to underestimate the corruption that goes on in every major city.

Quote:Trust me, the glamor will fade.
If I trusted your opinion on these matters, I think I would need severe psychiatric treatment. Nobody could take that much self-contradiction.

Even if you are absolutely correct about the "glamor" fading, there is a world of difference between the end of the honeymoon and revealing Obama to be neck-deep in political corruption. You aren't just saying he's more popular than he should be; you're saying that if people knew the "truth", they'd never have elected him.

Quote:What do you mean by "old"? He is well connected to the Chicago political "mafia", Richard M. Daley, as is Raum Emmanual. William M. Daley (Richard's brother), is probably the designated replacement for the seat vacated by Barrak Obama. There are ways to ingratiate yourself within the ruling class.
How very vague. Wave some hands, summon some boogeymen, mention "there are ways," that he is "connected" with a guy... do you actually have any dirt on the man? Or still just throwing out whatever you can to discredit Obama, whether it has any basis or not? I mean, really. William Daley was US Secretary of Commerce; it's hardly as if he's some bizarre nepotism pick. He's a democrat with a strong record, in a solidly democratic area. Why would picking him indicate anything out of the ordinary?

-Jester
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Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-26-2009, 06:08 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-26-2009, 06:18 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Thenryb - 05-26-2009, 07:07 PM
Civil War, Part II - by --Pete - 05-26-2009, 07:13 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-26-2009, 07:17 PM
Civil War, Part II - by --Pete - 05-26-2009, 07:26 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-26-2009, 08:15 PM
Civil War, Part II - by --Pete - 05-26-2009, 08:59 PM
Civil War, Part II - by DeeBye - 05-27-2009, 06:43 AM
Civil War, Part II - by Nystul - 05-27-2009, 08:58 AM
Civil War, Part II - by Sir_Die_alot - 05-27-2009, 02:40 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Sir_Die_alot - 05-27-2009, 02:53 PM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-27-2009, 04:26 PM
Civil War, Part II - by --Pete - 05-27-2009, 05:10 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Kevin - 05-27-2009, 05:39 PM
Civil War, Part II - by --Pete - 05-27-2009, 06:27 PM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-27-2009, 08:05 PM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-27-2009, 08:08 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Sir_Die_alot - 05-27-2009, 09:53 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Crusader - 05-28-2009, 10:01 AM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-28-2009, 01:23 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-28-2009, 01:47 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Crusader - 05-28-2009, 03:17 PM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-28-2009, 03:19 PM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-28-2009, 03:32 PM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-28-2009, 03:39 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Ashock - 05-28-2009, 04:00 PM
Civil War, Part II - by roguebanshee - 05-28-2009, 05:50 PM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-28-2009, 07:11 PM
Civil War, Part II - by roguebanshee - 05-28-2009, 07:41 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Delc - 05-28-2009, 08:17 PM
Civil War, Part II - by --Pete - 05-28-2009, 08:20 PM
Civil War, Part II - by --Pete - 05-28-2009, 08:31 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-28-2009, 10:49 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-28-2009, 10:52 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-28-2009, 11:00 PM
Civil War, Part II - by --Pete - 05-28-2009, 11:25 PM
Civil War, Part II - by --Pete - 05-28-2009, 11:37 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-28-2009, 11:43 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-28-2009, 11:57 PM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-29-2009, 06:01 AM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-29-2009, 06:12 AM
Civil War, Part II - by Crusader - 05-29-2009, 07:33 AM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-29-2009, 07:45 AM
Civil War, Part II - by roguebanshee - 05-29-2009, 08:09 AM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-29-2009, 12:43 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Crusader - 05-29-2009, 02:09 PM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-29-2009, 02:32 PM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-29-2009, 02:44 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-29-2009, 03:11 PM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-29-2009, 03:41 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-29-2009, 04:05 PM
Civil War, Part II - by --Pete - 05-29-2009, 08:33 PM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-30-2009, 05:21 AM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-30-2009, 02:02 PM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-30-2009, 05:09 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-30-2009, 05:53 PM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-30-2009, 07:13 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-30-2009, 07:25 PM
Civil War, Part II - by --Pete - 05-30-2009, 07:50 PM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-30-2009, 08:29 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-30-2009, 08:48 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Occhidiangela - 05-30-2009, 11:18 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Occhidiangela - 05-30-2009, 11:22 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Occhidiangela - 05-30-2009, 11:23 PM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-30-2009, 11:28 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-31-2009, 12:03 AM
Civil War, Part II - by --Pete - 05-31-2009, 02:29 AM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-31-2009, 03:32 AM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-31-2009, 03:42 AM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-31-2009, 11:06 AM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-31-2009, 11:29 AM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-31-2009, 12:37 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Occhidiangela - 05-31-2009, 01:08 PM
Civil War, Part II - by kandrathe - 05-31-2009, 03:35 PM
Civil War, Part II - by Jester - 05-31-2009, 06:52 PM

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