Nice to see O'Bama working on getting rid of midnight Bush rules

[Lissa]

Right. But at 17, I was hired for my knowledge of hardware, and not my (mostly total lack) experience with women's underwear. My customer service skills at 17 aside, they knew what they were doing, and I knew what they were doing, so my choice was to either be humiliated, quit, or refuse and let them fire me. It is common practice in department stores to cycle though employees since over time they get raises, and the department store has an eager supply of willing cheaper labor waiting to take over.

How sure are you of that they wanted to get rid of you or humilate you? At 17, I highly doubt you had gotten significant raises to make it so it was worth getting rid of you. Usually if someone is doing quite well, they would rather keep you around instead of getting rid of you, and if doing well enough, promote you into a position of greater responsibility.

But be that as it may, that is getting away from the issue at hand which is if someone comes to you and requires your services or someone with similar services, you are doing a disservice to them if you refuse them service or refuse to refer them to someone that will service them because of your beliefs. If you don't like the services that you can provide, get into another line of work.

"The purpose of medicine is to prevent significant disease, to decrease pain and to postpone death." -- Dr. Joel J. Nobel.

So this is healing? Looks to me that if you read that for what it says, the good doctor is stating what I have stated, that a medical practioneers job is to improve the quality of life of the patient.

A social worker can improve my quality of life, or I can do it myself by simply moving to a warmer climate. "improving the quality of life" is actually the fundamental purpose of many if not most professions. I'm not be obstinate, I'm disagreeing with you. I think medicine needs to be focused on wellness, or illness and not as another doctor wrote, "Thus, I would describe the ultimate purpose of medicine as follows: to assist all beings to experience unbounded love and joy, and to know this is the essence of who we truly are. This purpose deserves attention fully equal to the relative purpose of curing disease." I believe that person has moved from healer to savior.

And here's a second quote that fits with exactly what I said, a medical practitioneer's job is to improve someone's quality of life, either by healing or by treating the disease. This doctor even comes right out and says it that quality of life is akin to curing a disease, cause even this doctor probably realizes that not all diseases are curable.

I think it really depends if you weigh the babies life and the mothers life as equal or not. If the baby is not considered human, at the same level as the mother, then it is easy to decide to chuck the baby. We are also arguing about the slimmest portion of reasons for abortion (~ 5%). The vast proportion of abortions are not done for medical reasons, and this is the ethical debate within our culture.

So let me get this straight, you think that a mother's life is less important that the life of her unborn child that could kill her and cost the life of both the mother and the child?

We are also talking about abortions in cases of the mother's life is endanger from the unborn baby, rape victims that become pregnant due to the no fault of their own, and incest victims that become pregnant due to no fault of their own. Anyone that thinks that abortions should not be performed under this circumstances is a sick, sick individual. They need to get out of the dark ages and get into the modern ages.