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[eppie]

Hi,
Pretty much everybody has a social security number, but not everybody. Since social security *only* deals with income and benefits, a person with no (declared) income does not need one. Parents do need to get one for children *if* they are declaring those children as dependents but not otherwise. So that part of your premise is wrong.

In all countries I have lived in every legal person should get a number. It is called different in many countries and doesn't have to have anything to do with income or social benefits.

Also, there is no Federal official photo ID. And the rules vary from state to state. In most states, you do not legally need any ID at all. Most people drive, and so have a driver's license, but many don't drive. So, the second part of your premise is also wrong. As usual, you are starting from a falsehood. Your conclusions are thus logically right -- and actually crap.

Pete, I did not conclude anything. I asked a question and assumed some things to make clear what I was thinking about. In most countries I have lived in you need to be able to show an ID. Although I don't fully agree with that and often not carry one, I find it hard to understand how you are supposed to prove that you are who you are without a social number and without an ID.

Ignoring the fact that the USA is a republic, not a democracy, we can move on to the other error you make.

But also a democracy right? I have absolutely no idea what the use of these stupid remarks is. If you just want to whine please say so, then I won't spend time replying.

Voting is *not* a right of *every* person. We eliminate the under aged (18 in most places), we eliminate the felons, we eliminate the non-citizens.

As I also already stated in a few of my posts.
Stop nitpicking if you want to really answer my questions or discuss like a grown-up. If you don't want please specify this on top of your post so I don't have to bother reading it.
But you are going to have a hard time distinguishing a non-citizen and a legal citizen without ID and social number.

That comes out to a fair fraction of the 'persons' living in the USA.
Wrong. First, there is no such national database.

So wouldn't it be time to get one? If you were able to read (well let's say if you are willing to) and get the idea of what people want to say instead of just looking at the words you would understand that I think that a having a database is a good idea. And then you could react if you think it is not a good idea.....then we would have a valid discussion. (also if my idea is really stupid you could tell me that....I can take that....I have more problems with you explaining that the USA is a republic)

But, more important, your idea is stupid. Mr. X with your ID gets up early and votes. You show up later and are banned because you've 'already voted'. By the time you've proven TO A FEDERAL BUREAUCRACY you are the real you (after all, only a moron would think that an ID that is in question can be used to validate that ID) you've probably missed not only that election, but two more. And even if you can prove your identity rapidly, what can they do about the invalid vote? Nothing, if it is a true secret ballot -- because if there is a way to track who voted how, then the ballot is no longer secret and the potential for reprisals for 'voting wrong' becomes very real.

Yes but people mis-using your ID en voting card have to spend some time and money to be able to do that. If you would have to pay to make a real looking voting card and ID frauding that one vote would not be very popular. (I usually don't have to show my passport but there are never problems with people saying they are me). SO the idea is not so stupid as you might think.

Common sense, intelligence, reading ability (most of these points have already been explained to you), logic. Oh, sorry, you said 'forgetting', not 'missing'.

--Pete

I expected that you understood that with my questions I tried to expose a flaw...see above.

I hope you want to put in the effort to discuss the points I raised, because I think they are valid.