Settle it down a little before I have to lock this. I know it's about religion *and* politics, but, I have a couple of comments here myself.
eppie: Seriously, you sound like the European media. Come up with something of your own, and you'll get taken more seriously. Jester has about ten times more clue than you do how it works here, even if he doesn't always 'get it'. I don't quite understand politics in his country, either, down to the last detail. You're trying to project what your own (politically-influenced) media says onto the real world, and, as usual it fails to get even close to reality. Hell, eppie, if we believe all the stuff we read in the Euro media, the Muslims are already well under way in turning Western Europe to Sharia law. Is that really a true statement? Or is that just media reporting? You tell me. I don't know, I'm not there. If I'm to believe what I read, the EU is already working to outlaw voices it doesn't want to hear. Is that true, or just media 'focus' that ignores the whole picture?
Basically, eppie, if the two statements about Sharia law and EU outlawing stuff they don't want to hear sound like complete trash to you because I don't know the whole story, only what I've read in the media, then you know how we take you, spouting off to media stories that only show a little.
Jester and Occhi and the rest of you: you guys know where the line is. Honor it, please.
Now for my part...
As far as Christians and voting, I'm a 'Christian', but I tend to vote the way I think is best, and the church is probably the LAST place I'll turn to for political advice. I go to a very mainstream, tolerant church that talks about the love of God and service, etc. Churches that teach hate, and that you will go to hell if you don't do it their way, to me are just the 'Christian' manifestation of islamofascists. Wright, Pfleger are examples. Same hate, same want to control the people. On a more 'political' forum, a friend of mine said this, and I pretty much agree.
"Religious zealots who have all the answers and want to run my life scare the crap out of me. I donât care if they worship Mecca or go to the corner church god zealots are dangerous."
Really, *anyone* who thinks they have all the answers and wants to run my life scares me. Zealots are dangerous. As far as political parties? They're mostly liars and sacks of s---, pretty much. You can't trust most politicians. You just have to vote for the one you think you can trust the most, and hope you're right. Sad that it has come to this, but, that's how it is in all the Western countries.
eppie: Seriously, you sound like the European media. Come up with something of your own, and you'll get taken more seriously. Jester has about ten times more clue than you do how it works here, even if he doesn't always 'get it'. I don't quite understand politics in his country, either, down to the last detail. You're trying to project what your own (politically-influenced) media says onto the real world, and, as usual it fails to get even close to reality. Hell, eppie, if we believe all the stuff we read in the Euro media, the Muslims are already well under way in turning Western Europe to Sharia law. Is that really a true statement? Or is that just media reporting? You tell me. I don't know, I'm not there. If I'm to believe what I read, the EU is already working to outlaw voices it doesn't want to hear. Is that true, or just media 'focus' that ignores the whole picture?
Basically, eppie, if the two statements about Sharia law and EU outlawing stuff they don't want to hear sound like complete trash to you because I don't know the whole story, only what I've read in the media, then you know how we take you, spouting off to media stories that only show a little.
Jester and Occhi and the rest of you: you guys know where the line is. Honor it, please.
Now for my part...
As far as Christians and voting, I'm a 'Christian', but I tend to vote the way I think is best, and the church is probably the LAST place I'll turn to for political advice. I go to a very mainstream, tolerant church that talks about the love of God and service, etc. Churches that teach hate, and that you will go to hell if you don't do it their way, to me are just the 'Christian' manifestation of islamofascists. Wright, Pfleger are examples. Same hate, same want to control the people. On a more 'political' forum, a friend of mine said this, and I pretty much agree.
"Religious zealots who have all the answers and want to run my life scare the crap out of me. I donât care if they worship Mecca or go to the corner church god zealots are dangerous."
Really, *anyone* who thinks they have all the answers and wants to run my life scares me. Zealots are dangerous. As far as political parties? They're mostly liars and sacks of s---, pretty much. You can't trust most politicians. You just have to vote for the one you think you can trust the most, and hope you're right. Sad that it has come to this, but, that's how it is in all the Western countries.
--Mav