06-04-2008, 10:06 AM
Quote:Now with haste.
FoL = 1.5s cast. FoL with 8 haste rating = 1.492s cast (you can use http://haste.lastliberty.org/spellcalc.php to just get the numbers quick, it's german but shouldn't be an issue to understand if you only speak/read english). 15 haste rating = 1.486s cast. And yes with the changes haste will lower the GCD down to 1s. But it still caps at 1s on the GCD. You'll note in practical terms there isn't a lot of difference there. Lets look at bigger values. Lets look at 60 vs 24. 1.445 vs 1.477. I'm saying you want to be to a 1.445 cast to give up 40 healing. You are saying a 1.477 to give up 40 healing. OK why for me? Again for me this could be because I still /stopcasting a lot while healing. That means the haste rating is only good for getting that first heal there.
Let's say your FoL hits for 1300. Flash of Light get 42.86% of your +healing per cast. Lets look at really big numbers. 100 healing vs 150 haste rating or 80 haste rating. 1.369 cast or 1.427 cast.
So that base throughput (with 0% crit) is 1300 / 1.5 = 866.66 HP/s
100 healing: 1343 / 1.5 = 895.22 HP/s
150 haste: 1300 / 1.369 = 949.60 HP/s
80 haste; 1300 / 1.427 = 911 HP/s
Maybe I undervalue it too much. Your value gives you similar throughput and maybe I'm considering stopcasting too much. The more you sit around the less value the haste has. The more times you stop a cast or just don't cast the less value haste has. The values above are just comparing pure spamming of FoL without any crit factored in.
Anyway that should help you nail down what you think about it better I hope.
I have no idea where I will end up with this post, but I want to do some math on haste and so figure I might as well share whatever I do.
First I'm going to compare 100 haste to 100 heal so as to see how they relate on a 1:1 scale. In addition let us look at different FoL values: 500, 1000, 1500, 2000, 2500. So basically a range of really bad gear to really good gear.
100 healing
100 * 0.4286 = 42.86 healing added to each FoL.
542.86h / 1.5s = 361.9067h/s
1042.86h / 1.5s = 695.24h/s
1542.86h / 1.5s = 1028.5733h/s
2042.86h / 1.5s = 1361.8867h/s
2542.86h / 1.5s = 1695.24h/s
100 haste
New Casting Time = (Base Casting Time * 1570) / (1570 + Spell Haste Rating)
New Casting Time = (1.5 * 1570) / (1570 + 100)
New Casting Time = 2355 / 1670 = 1.41
500h / 1.41s = 354.6099h/s
1000h / 1.41s = 709.2199h/s
1500h / 1.41s = 1063.8298h/s
2000h / 1.41s = 1418.4397h/s
2500h / 1.41s = 1773.0496h/s
Haste - Heal = Gain from haste
500: 354.6099h/s - 361.9067h/s = -7.2968
1000: 709.2199h/s - 695.24h/s = 13.9799
1500: 1063.8298h/s - 1028.5733h/s = 35.2565
2000: 1418.4397h/s - 1361.8867h/s = 56.553
2500: 1773.0496h/s - 1695.24h/s = 77.8096
So assuming that your heals hit for at least 1000, haste will do more for you per point than heal. With Blessing of Light my FoL are hitting for around 1200 currently with no enchants (except glyph), green quality gems (that are going for socket bonus that they shouldn't be going for), a couple items still blue (ring and cloak), and some of the purples not being what the sheet would say I would need. So I think fixing some of that should easily get my FoLs to 1500.
Baseline: 1500h / 1.5s = 1000h/s
100 Heal: 1542.86h / 1.5s = 1028.5733h/s
100 Haste: 1500h / 1.41s = 1063.8298h/s
Gain from base
100 Heal: 1028.5733h/s - 1000h/s = 28.5733 h/s
100 Haste: 1063.8298h/s - 1000h/s = 63.8298 h/s
So at 1500 FoLs you have 2.25 times the HPS from haste as from heal. This makes me wonder if the ratio shouldn't be 10 heal = 4.5 haste. Now we do have that assumed 1500 heal built in so I'm thinking we probably want to round that up to 5 haste in order to favor heal slightly more. So 10 heal = 5 haste. Also, assuming that FoL is being spammed non-stop, haste has a built in negative effect on mana whereas heal doesn't. We could take this into account by lowering the rating for mp5 or by raising the rating of haste. I don't like changing mp5 to accomodate for more haste so I think that the correct path is to raise the rating of haste. How much though? I'm thinking maybe add 2 points for a mana penalty. So that brings us to 10 heal = 7 haste.
I said in a previous post that I might consider 10 heal = 25 stam and the more I've thought about it the more I've agreed with that. So I'm going to go ahead and incorporate that as well. So this leaves me at.
10 +heal = 7 haste = 4 mp5 = 30 crit = 25 sta = 30 int
I suppose I should look at the other values since GG commented on them and my net is acting up too much to do anything else anyway.
Quote:22.08 crit rating = 1% crit. So I'm basically saying you need a bit more than 1% (1.132) crit to = +10 heal. I feel good about that. You are saying 1.359. I know that nothing is nicer than seeing that crit heal when you really need it. Sure, sure more +heal means it's not as big of a deal. But I like crits. That could be the shaman in me and the fact I've healed a lot as holy spec and just can't let it go. The armor buff from the shaman heals is noticable. It's a small difference but I think it fits better.
Looking at the crit rating = % converstion values helps here. So thanks for adding that. I hadn't looked it up before. : ) Lets do some more math! Looking at 100 heal = 10% crit.
A crit does 150%. So at 10% crit we are saying that 1 in every 10 heals is a crit. Once again let us assume 500, 1000, 1500, 2000, 2500 for FoL sizes.
10 FoLs with 10% crit
500: 9*500 + 500 * 1.5 = 4500 + 750 = 5250
1000: 9*1000 + 1000 * 1.5 = 9000 + 1500 = 10500
1500: 9*1500 + 1500 * 1.5 = 13500 + 2250 = 15750
2000: 9*2000 + 2000 * 1.5 = 18000 + 3000 = 21000
2500: 9*2500 + 2500 * 1.5 = 22500 + 3750 = 26250
10 FoLs with 100 heal
100 * 0.4286 = 42.86 healing added to each FoL.
500: 10*542.86 = 5428.6
1000: 10*1042.86 = 10428.6
1500: 10*1542.86 = 15428.6
2000: 10*2042.86 = 20428.6
2500: 10*2542.86 = 25428.6
So at the 1500 level and below 100 heal wins and at the 2000 level and above 10% crit wins. Earlier I went with assuming 1500 heal for the ratings and if I do that again then it looks like heal should be valued slightly above crit. So it would seem GG is right about where to value crit. 22.08 crit rating = 1% crit so valuing heal slight more would give 10 heal = 25 crit. One could push it up to 30 like I had it to favor lower gearing levels or down to 20 to favor high gear levels. One could also push the value up or down due to crit being unrelaible. You could go 20 heals without one or you could go 5 heals with 2. So there is certainly some flex here. Having done this math though I think I'm going to agree with GG that 25 is the right value.
So now we have
10 +heal = 7 haste = 4 mp5 = 25 crit = 25 sta = 30 int