3 Children removed from NJ parents

[kandrathe]

Yes people should be treated as innocent until found guilty, but keep your common sense too. Since when does the allegation of being a neo-nazi even remotely in the same ballpark as a pro life\pro choice bumper sticker?

Yes, I know it doesn't. When I wrote that I was thinking of the extremes that some people will go with their beliefs. Clinics have been burned, and people have been shot by anti-abortion fanatics. What I was trying to get to there was, that I believe it is the fanatic (the guy with the rifle) that should be stopped, not the person (clinic worker) with the "legal" and "unpopular" viewpoint.

Shadow basically already summed up a salient point you seem to either ignore or don't get. Parents do have rights (more importantly responsibilities) but so do the kids. Birthing children does not give one complete and total ownership over them. In the past and in some places that's still the sad and brutal rule of the day. Unless that's what you meant by defending freedom and fighting tyranny.

I really think there should be an agreed upon and legal process for taking away a persons children. It should involve insuring the parents are fully apprised of their rights, and have legal (or court appointed) representation. There should quickly be a doctors visit, or whatever other investigations need to occur, to assess whether any allegation of physical abuse has occurred. You know, due process. Rather it seems the procedure is that CPS takes your kids, and then you fight to get them back after months of legal wrangling, or you lose your kids.

I'll try it from another perspective. Would you have reacted the same way if the kids are not blood relation, but were up for adoption by the same set of people?

No. It seems weird, but I don't think people have the inherent right to adopt children. When the children are wards of the state, the state has the responsibility to insure the children are going to a good home. But, I don't think the state has the inherent right to arbitrarily judge that a particular home is not good, without having some incriminating evidence of parental abuse or neglect.

At the very least, I'm going to guess that you will at least agree that there should be a very thorough check and investigations in any prospective parents. This is a kid we're talking about after all, not a dog. Hell, my relatives went through a pretty thorough interview when they adopted a cat from the shelter! I would hope the standard would be at least that high if not higher for a human.

Yes, again, it makes sense when the children are wards of the state.

We're not talking about the parent's 'minority' views, we're really talking about the potential extreme-ness (and not in a good Mountain Dew X-treme) and the red flags of the allegations in that article.

Look, these are not the kind of people I would welcome to come and move into my neighborhood. If I could call up the Campbell's today, I'd tell them a) change your kids names. If your attitude is "Hey, its just a name" then why these names. They shouldn't care. Call the boy Thor, and the girls Ariana, and Eva. Still Germanic, and yet the kids can get a birthday cake without causing a Walmart conniption. b) Move to Oregon, or Utah and get a compound. They are used to nut jobs out there. NJ is the too near the mecca of liberalism in the world. c) If you are going to do this crap, at least understand your history and don't waffle about it. You are either a big fan of Hitler, or you think he was a scum bag. I almost snorted out my coffee when Heath mentioned that he might move to Germany, as if, you know, Nazism is embraced there. d) Don't use your kids to do crap you should do yourself. If you want to reclaim the swastika, and the right to name your boys Adolf, then change your own name first. Don't force your kid to do the heavy lifting for you.

In a way, I feel sorry for the Campbell's. Not that their publicity ploy backfired, but that they are probably too clueless to figure out how to get themselves out of the mess they've made for themselves. I feel sorry for them that they are such pathetic losers. But, I'd still fight for their rights. Stupid isn't illegal yet.

I'm still waiting for more news.