Yet another religious cult raided

[Occhidiangela]

No, not countries. The schism that you speak of exists here in the USA, too. We've had 8 to 14 years of tilting to the retro-Reaganites, we may get a much-needed break in 2009. Of course, now that McCain has become Bush III, we might not.

How do you figure that? It takes a truck load of blinders-on partisanship to come up with that.

My problem with him is that I don't think he's too bright, in terms of what job he's looking for.

Never forget: this is the guy W beat in the GOP primary in 2000. How sharp can he be?

Five years ago, it hurt, literally hurt, to be green in this country*.

Still does.

The GOP was seeking to move this country to a one-party system, people who didn't worship the latest of the Reagan Dynasty were removed from their jobs, and no one was listening to those of us who cared about water, air, atmospheric issues -- you know, "hippie" issues. Nothing was more pathetic than a "hippie".

How do smart people fall into such ignorance?

Is it also true, Van, that the Democratic Party was moving to make this country a one party system when it had the House, Senate, and White House at the same time?

Look around, Van, there are still two parties around, sorta, and a few other parties who wish they could get in on the graft.

Once, about four years ago, two politicos knocked on my door and asked me what my biggest issue was; I told them it was water quality and they were dumbfounded -- they had no talking points for that!! and they were the Democrats!!

See my "sorta" in the above paragraph.

But things are getting better now. For instance, it is only the occasional crank complaining that they can't buy incandescent bulbs. (nyuk nyuk) And hey, thank God for Evangelicals -- they now want to save the earth. After all, God so loves the earth -- and all the animals species (ark ark) -- wash away all those people that would eradicate species.

Funny, most farmers understand not wasting anything, and good stewardship of the land. See also the Amish. What's your beef with these Evangelicals? Do you think they are all industrialists? How about you widen your field of view?

Of course, what's discouraging now is that a lot of good-intentioned efforts are just creating other problems. For instance, using corn for biofuels is only slightly better if at all than regular gas (sugarcane is much better). Supposedly, deforestation is happening to grow more corn (though that's better than more pavement). Sadly, deforestation is happening anyway -- for many reasons.

We agree, and we both agree that it sucks.

One solution is to significantly reduce the human population. (Four bilion ought to do, methinks) Of course, the very tough question is: which two billion go into the big woodchipper? Not an easy answer.

I told people at my office a year ago that I was glad gas prices were going up. Still am -- it seems to be driving (HAH!) a push to finally deliver improved technology to the American market.

After thirty five years of horsecrap energy policy, it was a bill ignored that came due, with a penalty. (Good article in Newsweek about the original leader of Greens in the US who left due to the blinders on approach so many of his colleagues were taking. Their thirty plus years of anti nuke protests helped keep coal and fossil fuel plants on the top of the heap, thanks very much.)

Van, do you think this will serve as a wake up call?

I don't. I still see SUV's and monster trucks all around me, and I live in a suburban area.

Nuts, absolutely nuts.

Anyway, I'll stop my rant.

Why? You were on a roll.

My point is that you tarred all Americans with your brush, and it doesn't apply to all of us.

Nice try at being sly. Failed.

*Replying about Kermit will only show your age

I was sorely tempted. :whistling:

Occhi