Nether Vortices 15 badges on PTR

[Kevin]

Shaman get nothing from the change unless they are outside FSR due to no stat allowing regen in FSR. In the current patch, I think Shaman compare quite favorably, with water shield + mana trickle + mana tide + natural MP5 they have a comparable amount of regen to a priest. However, if the changes in 2.4 go live, shaman will need some talent somewhere to allow them some amount of regen inside FSR (either int related or % regen related).

EDIT: My conclusion is wrong because raid buffed she would gain a bit more since I didn't factor in kings, divine spirit, or MotW when I drew the conclusion, it will be a bit more helpful but still in comparison to what druids and priests get it's essentially nothing

From my experience playing Krash in Kara (when he was gear appropriate) and playing Mogo in SSC (where she is gear appropriate) you don't get much regen outside the 5 second rule. Since shaman are so good with FFA healing that is the job they generally do. The one fight where I've played Mogo where it could help is when I was pretty much solo healing the murloc pally tank (well he self heals on that fight as well) because after the murlocs are dead I'll get some regen time.

(0.001+SPI*0.009327*(INT^0.5))*5 = MP5 out of FSR is the formula at L70. Right now with how things work she is at 233 MP/5 while not casting, 126 MP/5 while casting, 471 int, 139 spirit completely unbuffed. So that means that she would have 107 MP/5 from spirit regen.

So that would work out to (0.001 + 139*0.009327*(471^0.5))*5 = 140 MP/5 when not casting from spirit so it would be 37 MP/5 bump outside the five second rule. I figure at best you are looking at 20% time so yeah it's going to be a whooping 7 - 8 MP/5 for her in practical application.

And I do agree that with the water shield changes as well as the changes to mana trickle totem that shaman regen right now seems pretty on par with the other healers at least in the SSC/TK level of content and in Kara content (though I guess appropriate geared Kara doesn't happen with new badge gear).

This change is another relative nerf to resto shaman. Treesh already covered in another post why she isn't happy with the class anymore, basically it's a case of this class doesn't play like it used to and that just ruins it for me. It's happened to folks with other classes, it happened to me with the pally back in 1.07 or whenever they got their big review. The playstyle that I enjoyed the most on my pally at the time was wiped away and while the class may have been made better for it, it wasn't made better for me. None of the warrior, hunter, or druid changes (or relative status changes because of other classes being changed) have really been big enough to make me not happy with the class. I also was alright with the shaman changes because I didn't play it nearly as hybrid as Treesh did and while I have a 70 shaman he was only L30 something when the TBC skill trees hit and I was planning on having him be enh pretty much the whole time so getting DW instead of just being a 2H user, while a pretty big change was a positive one for my play experience. I'm just pointing out that Treesh is mostly unhappy with the changes affecting personal play experience not necessarily class balance and viability.