10-11-2007, 08:26 AM
I don't have much experience on priests so I can't really comment on that but I think you're on the right track when it comes to warriors. Right now warriors are a really flawed class that are being pushed out of their main dutys because other classes can do them better. The big flaw is they haven't done for warriors what they have done for other classes: give them their NEEDED abilities as trained skills instead of deep talents.
So what am I talking about? Mortal strike, bloodthirst and shield slam. Blizzard really blew it on these because the warrior is not a hybrid class. Hybrids get their "must have" abilities deep in their talent trees to force them to prefer that role. Not giving warriors access to these as skills instead of talents is like putting flash heal 31 points down in the holy tree. The problem with a warrior is they are a tank/off tank. Always. By removing shield slam from DPS warriors it means their threat when off tanking is very poor. By keeping mortal strike/blood thirst from a protection warrior it means when they are not tanking, they are useless. Mortal strike (let it work similar to current stormstrike) and shield slam being trained abilities would fix a lot of what's wrong with the warrior class currently. I'm not sure what to do about bloodthrist, I wish Blizzard had just never added it as it currently exsists. If they change things now fury warriors will probably be angry, if they simply add it as an alternative to MS? *Shrug*
Another thing is rage. Rage right now is flawed for warriors. I agree with the person who said all the MS warrior whiners who didn't want to get endless rage QQed the buff to rage from damage delt. It should have stayed where it was. The problem with rage is warriors should get more from the damage they take. This has always been a problem, but it was made far far far worse when they normalized rage, as a warrior's tanking gear gets better their ability to generate rage from damage diminshes. This used to be compensated by gaining a better weapon, which did more damage, which got you more rage. Now, you just have to strap on lesser gear if you have raid quality tank gear and want to do a 5 man. It was a dps nerf that hit protection warriors much harder than it should have, and in the end didn't really hurt dps warriors at all.
Tanking in general: warriors are suppose to be the tank class. Now don't get me wrong, I'm glad druids and paladins got their due and are now viable tanks... a little too viable though. As a warrior tank there are a lot of buttons I have to mash to keep my threat going strong. As a paladin? A little seal here a judgement there and keep concecration going and you can easily outdo a warrior in TPS. There is some balance with paladins at least, they suffer the same gear limiting their "blue rage bar" I pointed out above with warriors. As a bear? With a macro I could mash 2 buttons non stop and do better threat than the most skilled warrior tank in wow. This is dumb. Flat out dumb. Warriors SHOULD be a prefered tanking class with only gear and spec separating them from the above 2. Right now they have huge threat issues, even if they are specificly speced for tanking.
SPEAKING OF THREAT. Pre expansion warriors did some awesome raid dps, rogues complained as did many others. The thing nobody got was they have no dump for it. (other classes didn't either, but that has since been fixed as it should be.) Without a dump that means warriors are the burn class for dps. Where others can sustain a high dps and control their aggro, or wipe it entirely, the only way a warrior can do the same is to stop attacking or die. I always thought this was an excellent way to balance a rogue and warrior when it came to dps. "Yeah we may be doing the same dps, but if the tank goes its my face that will get pushed in first, hopefully I can hold it those crucial seconds and it dies. That's why I wear plate."
So what am I talking about? Mortal strike, bloodthirst and shield slam. Blizzard really blew it on these because the warrior is not a hybrid class. Hybrids get their "must have" abilities deep in their talent trees to force them to prefer that role. Not giving warriors access to these as skills instead of talents is like putting flash heal 31 points down in the holy tree. The problem with a warrior is they are a tank/off tank. Always. By removing shield slam from DPS warriors it means their threat when off tanking is very poor. By keeping mortal strike/blood thirst from a protection warrior it means when they are not tanking, they are useless. Mortal strike (let it work similar to current stormstrike) and shield slam being trained abilities would fix a lot of what's wrong with the warrior class currently. I'm not sure what to do about bloodthrist, I wish Blizzard had just never added it as it currently exsists. If they change things now fury warriors will probably be angry, if they simply add it as an alternative to MS? *Shrug*
Another thing is rage. Rage right now is flawed for warriors. I agree with the person who said all the MS warrior whiners who didn't want to get endless rage QQed the buff to rage from damage delt. It should have stayed where it was. The problem with rage is warriors should get more from the damage they take. This has always been a problem, but it was made far far far worse when they normalized rage, as a warrior's tanking gear gets better their ability to generate rage from damage diminshes. This used to be compensated by gaining a better weapon, which did more damage, which got you more rage. Now, you just have to strap on lesser gear if you have raid quality tank gear and want to do a 5 man. It was a dps nerf that hit protection warriors much harder than it should have, and in the end didn't really hurt dps warriors at all.
Tanking in general: warriors are suppose to be the tank class. Now don't get me wrong, I'm glad druids and paladins got their due and are now viable tanks... a little too viable though. As a warrior tank there are a lot of buttons I have to mash to keep my threat going strong. As a paladin? A little seal here a judgement there and keep concecration going and you can easily outdo a warrior in TPS. There is some balance with paladins at least, they suffer the same gear limiting their "blue rage bar" I pointed out above with warriors. As a bear? With a macro I could mash 2 buttons non stop and do better threat than the most skilled warrior tank in wow. This is dumb. Flat out dumb. Warriors SHOULD be a prefered tanking class with only gear and spec separating them from the above 2. Right now they have huge threat issues, even if they are specificly speced for tanking.
SPEAKING OF THREAT. Pre expansion warriors did some awesome raid dps, rogues complained as did many others. The thing nobody got was they have no dump for it. (other classes didn't either, but that has since been fixed as it should be.) Without a dump that means warriors are the burn class for dps. Where others can sustain a high dps and control their aggro, or wipe it entirely, the only way a warrior can do the same is to stop attacking or die. I always thought this was an excellent way to balance a rogue and warrior when it came to dps. "Yeah we may be doing the same dps, but if the tank goes its my face that will get pushed in first, hopefully I can hold it those crucial seconds and it dies. That's why I wear plate."