09-23-2007, 10:29 AM
Quote:Incidentally, the "loot pinata" view of early Hyjal and BT bosses is a little unfair - they just happen to be much, much easier to learn (even with the slog of the trash in Hyjal per attempt) than Kael is. No matter how big an epeen you wave at them, they don't just fall over, but any group that can kill Kael is not going to take that long to learn them because not every fight can be a 20-minutes-plus 5-phase epic.
Well, Rage Winterchill really IS a pinata on the Loot Reaver level. Any boss you can one-shot blind qualifies, in my book. Granted, it's no Kael, but quite a few guilds just one-shot Rage the very first time they see him, something that almost certainly wasn't true for VR or Lurker. And while it'll be harder for casuals to learn, it's certainly something they could get in a week or two of tries at most (mainly spent dying to trash).
I wholeheartedly agree, however, that past Rage, loot pinata is a very relative term. Anetheron definitely requires some learning, has a moderate gear check, and has execution requirements that, at the least, equal the more difficult encounters in SSC/TK, and Kaz'rogal's entire encounter from wave 1 is a DPS race that essentially checks the amount of time spent farming old instances. For that matter, Naj'entus is kind of a "Tier 5" check, in that you need to have good healing/dps gear with high stamina, which is approximately how T5 is itemized.
All of that, in my opinion, makes the case even more convincing for lifting all attunement requirements immediately. It isn't even like Naxx, where a raid group that had never been in AQ40 could easily clear the entire spider wing plus Noth and Razuvious and even Heigan. Anyone who hasn't killed Kael is going to get over Anetheron and Naj'entus only with some difficulty, and they're going to hit stone walls at Kaz'rogal and, at the very latest, the Bloodboil-Reliquary-Gorefiend trio in BT (Naj'entus will be wall-like enough to groups equipped only in Karazhan purples and instance blues).