09-13-2007, 10:09 PM
From my tanking lately with Kam. The more tanking I do in normal 5 mans the more stam and avoidance I take off for more hit, crit and str for aggro.
The people you are going to be tanking for will be experienced folks on alts or a new player on a main who probably has a bit a raid gear already and is looking to help out or fill in holes. I have to remind myself to not waste rage on shield block because I don't need the mit and the 10 rage is better spent on generating aggro (and revenge is pretty much still lit up all the time). I'm a SB spammer from my old raid tanking days and from the days where when I'm soloing that I never want to use a bandage or eat food (in which case sitting in def and spamming shield block means I take pretty much zero damage though I only do like 170 DPS).
So get crit immune and then stack spell damage. Of course the issues of avoiding too much damage hurting aggro generation that exist for a warrior don't exist for a paladin. So maybe it's not as bad.
Don't rule out the felsteel crafted stuff either. They have very high levels of defense rating and armor to up your mit and keep you at the def needed for crit immune (485 def for normals).
Take the gloves for example vs your Scryer rep ones. You get 215 armor, lose 3 stam and 15 agi (the agi not of high value to you either) and 10 def rating. But you'll have 2 sockets that you can use to get more stam or spell damage or make up the defense if you want it. if you are at 485 def you can put spell damage gems in there. There are crafters in the guild that can do the felsteel for you (Conc and Geld can do the helm and gloves I think and Tigo (yes o, not a) can do the legs)
Tigo can also craft the Helm of the Stalwart Defender. Which is a ton of stam. The resilience isn't the best use of item budget but if I did the math right it does mean you need 15 defense less to be crit immune since it should give you .6% crit reduction. The stam levels on it are huge as is the armor, and you get 3 sockets to tweak it for whatever you want.
Again none of this is specifics of do this over that. But it's just some stuff to keep in mind as possibilities.
You're likely tanking for groups that will highly value speed. I often tank 3+ mobs on Kam even when I have the CC because it's just faster and the damage I take isn't going to be an issue. If you can get get enough AoE aggro down (high spell damage so a single consecrate + retribution aura + the blocks off holy shield blocks and then the swings with SoR up being enough aggro, not sure if that will be doable) that should keep your down time for needing to refill the mana shorter (should probably only need a drink if other folks need a drink) which is good. Since you'll likely never tank something with a fully level/gear appropriate group (the alts and new mains will have crafted gear and twinked AH items and drops that generally aren't available to folks the first times they hit those places) you'll generally have way more DPS and healing than the instance needs. Just something to color your thoughts.
The people you are going to be tanking for will be experienced folks on alts or a new player on a main who probably has a bit a raid gear already and is looking to help out or fill in holes. I have to remind myself to not waste rage on shield block because I don't need the mit and the 10 rage is better spent on generating aggro (and revenge is pretty much still lit up all the time). I'm a SB spammer from my old raid tanking days and from the days where when I'm soloing that I never want to use a bandage or eat food (in which case sitting in def and spamming shield block means I take pretty much zero damage though I only do like 170 DPS).
So get crit immune and then stack spell damage. Of course the issues of avoiding too much damage hurting aggro generation that exist for a warrior don't exist for a paladin. So maybe it's not as bad.
Don't rule out the felsteel crafted stuff either. They have very high levels of defense rating and armor to up your mit and keep you at the def needed for crit immune (485 def for normals).
Take the gloves for example vs your Scryer rep ones. You get 215 armor, lose 3 stam and 15 agi (the agi not of high value to you either) and 10 def rating. But you'll have 2 sockets that you can use to get more stam or spell damage or make up the defense if you want it. if you are at 485 def you can put spell damage gems in there. There are crafters in the guild that can do the felsteel for you (Conc and Geld can do the helm and gloves I think and Tigo (yes o, not a) can do the legs)
Tigo can also craft the Helm of the Stalwart Defender. Which is a ton of stam. The resilience isn't the best use of item budget but if I did the math right it does mean you need 15 defense less to be crit immune since it should give you .6% crit reduction. The stam levels on it are huge as is the armor, and you get 3 sockets to tweak it for whatever you want.
Again none of this is specifics of do this over that. But it's just some stuff to keep in mind as possibilities.
You're likely tanking for groups that will highly value speed. I often tank 3+ mobs on Kam even when I have the CC because it's just faster and the damage I take isn't going to be an issue. If you can get get enough AoE aggro down (high spell damage so a single consecrate + retribution aura + the blocks off holy shield blocks and then the swings with SoR up being enough aggro, not sure if that will be doable) that should keep your down time for needing to refill the mana shorter (should probably only need a drink if other folks need a drink) which is good. Since you'll likely never tank something with a fully level/gear appropriate group (the alts and new mains will have crafted gear and twinked AH items and drops that generally aren't available to folks the first times they hit those places) you'll generally have way more DPS and healing than the instance needs. Just something to color your thoughts.
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It's all just zeroes and ones and duct tape in the end.
It's all just zeroes and ones and duct tape in the end.